I HAD A HEART ATTACK AT 33. HERE’S WHAT MY DOCTORS MISSED!

Detox Is A Cellular Problem

Dr Pompa 0:00

Real detox is a cellular problem. The reason you don't feel well, it's a cellular problem. It's always so easy to just take more hormones. No, it's a cellular problem. It's why you can't hear your hormones.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

And then when you're actually having more, especially mycotoxins, it actually causes lipid proxosomes.

Dr Pompa 0:20

Alternative medicine, I feel, is not digging to the cause. It's not understanding these stressors put together, is why people get sick.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Number one, I grew up in a very moldy house. Number two, I grew up in a very abusive household as well. Another storm for as a child, and I didn't realize how much of that childhood impact leads into neuroinflammation and hypersensitivity gut.

Dr Pompa 0:42

Biofilms are normal in the body, and they actually even protect our good guys, but the problem is they get taken over by bad guys. And these bad guys, you're doing all these killers, killers, killers, antibiotics, and it's hiding in this biofilm.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

The main goal for us to increase redox potential in the body. That's the whole goal. Everything from fixing your environment to nervous system to cellular health.

Dr Pompa 1:05

Hey,

Mold Illness With Bizarre Symptoms

Dr Pompa 1:06

you're someone who doesn't feel well, maybe has just bizarre symptoms, right? From brain fog, maybe you have an autoimmune diagnosis, thyroid, diabetes, hormone condition, aches, pains. Okay, this show is for you. It could be mold. It could be something called biotoxic illness. But what I found in the alternative space, people do it wrong. A lot of myths. We're gonna bust them all. This next guest, I have never had a guest on this subject that I agreed more with. Oh, you're gonna hear him say things that I've been saying for years, maybe more eloquent. I don't know. But I am so excited to bring this one to you, man. This is gonna be one you're gonna share. You're gonna be taking a lot of notes on this one and a lot of shockers. Dr. John Kim, thank you for being here. Thank you very much. This is a topic that is near and dear to my heart. Unfortunately, I say that because mold illness, biotoxic illness, which we're gonna discuss today, uh, was part of my story, uh, along with very high levels of mercury. But many people watching this have fatigue, brain fog, anxiety, gut problems, autoimmune, keep going, chronic pain, weird stuff going on. I get the calls all the time. And so often it's mold issues, biotoxic illness, unknown to them. They could have been even triggered years ago. But we're gonna talk about this because you're an expert in this area. And rarely do I line up with experts on this topic. Really? As much as you. I'm very honored right now. Yeah, no, because it there's a lot of myths we're gonna bust. There's a lot of bad information on the topic. Um, and it really is not what people think, you know, that really it takes to get well from this. So this is gonna be a very, very shared show because there's so many people with this problem. So

A Heart Attack At 33

Dr Pompa 2:54

take me back though. I mean, how did you I to get into this, it has to be a pain to purpose story. It really is. Yeah. So tell you tell your story because the you became an expert like I did, not choose it, it chose us.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

It chose us. I mean, it's just really God's grace and it says where we are, and especially your title of pain to purpose. Yep. My pain actually started back in 2015, and I actually had a heart attack from it. I had an 85% blockage in my LED, ended up getting a sick. And you said from it, meaning Well, resulting the fact that we I didn't even realize what caused it. Here's this backstory basically. Six months prior to the actual incident, I was at my doctor's office getting a routine physical done, getting laps done, EKG is normal, everything's normal, including my lipid panel. Now, we know that lipid is not the main culprit of actually having a heart attack or atheroscratic plaque buildup. It's just to point in terms of the conventional medicine completely failed to really looking at the troubling signs that was going on. I was dealing with leaky gut, lack of sleep, high stress response. I just started a holistic pharmacy practice at that point in time. And the financial aspect of it became very, very difficult. And I was just getting out of that issue just then. And I thought everything was starting to settle. And then six months after the uh the blood test, and this is what I call a perfect storm, by the way. Yeah, it really is. Stress response and everything else. And then just coming back from my friend's wedding, I just started having this heartburn, which I usually have. I didn't think too much of it. And then after that, in the evening, pain just resonated down to my left arm. Oh boy. Woke up, and I'm like, man, there's something going on.

Dr Pompa 4:34

And how old were you?

SPEAKER_01 4:35

33. Yeah, 33. I'm 44 now. So you're not thinking heart attack at 33? No. No one does, right? No, no one does. Which is unfortunate that it's becoming more common now. It's true. Yep. Because of uh, you know, COVID happening. But that was one of the things that happened, and then I'm just like, what is going on here? So I went back to sleep, and then still the pain lingering, went to work, and then I'm like, this is not stopping at this point. Let me just get to somewhere. So instead of going to ER, like an idiot, I went to the urgent care center.

Dr Pompa 5:03

Well, you went back to sleep. I mean, that's there was a really good chance you would have never woke up.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

I would have never.

Dr Pompa 5:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Yeah. So that was another thing too. But went to urgent care center, and then the ER at that doctor is looking at me and like, you're having a heart attack right now. You have to get to the get to the hospital. So even when I got to the hospital, the ER doctor didn't believe that I was gonna be a heart attack. The cardiologist saw that he's this guy's young, probably has pericarditis, which is a common thing for his 30, 30-year-olds. Yep. And then when they did an echocardiogram, my left ventricle wasn't pumping correctly. Sound of ischemia. So they brought me to the cath lab. And then with the contrast, they found that they had 85, 85% blockage. So they had no choice but to put a stamp put in. Afterwards, I was in a cardiac unit for four days. So basically staring at a wall, wondering what the hell happened. Like, what could I have done differently to really make the trajectory different? And why is it that this was never caught by my doctor? And then I have this overweight cardiologist coming into a room saying, I need to cut out meat and dietary changes. I'm just like, this is unbelievable. Oh my gosh.

Dr Pompa 6:08

Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So now what did you find? Uh, meaning that you're you're a very smart guy, right? So you you realize, okay, I need to get to the cause of this. Yeah. So what did you find?

SPEAKER_01 6:20

I

The Perfect Storm Of Triggers

SPEAKER_01 6:21

mean, secondary heart attack can actually occur. And especially I'm young, that means that I have an another risk factor that's coming up soon. So I end up going to my uh integrative doctor, and I find out that um she just looked at me, she's like, I think you're dealing with tick-porn illness. I was just like, there's no way. So we did hygenic testing and then a few other blood work, and then about a month and a half later, all the results came back, and I had very high levels of um mycotoxin level. That's number one. Number two, I had a positivity for Bartonella infection using hygenics fish testing, mycoplasin pneumonia, Epstein Bar, heavy metals, and parasites.

Dr Pompa 6:57

Perfect storm right there, plus the stress. You know, and I believe I've seen this in my um career teaching doctors and working with so many people that um the a mold, let's say you're in a low-grade moldy home, unknowing, it lowers your immune system. And now it allows Lyme that you could have been your immune system could have been dealing with um successfully. Now it gives it the opportunity, it's an opportune, meaning it's it takes over. And now you have Lyme. And many people uh don't get this correlation, right? Oh, and you had heavy metals that's distracting your immune system, right? And then you added another stressor. So that's like a perfect, perfect storm.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

That and then when you look at the model of uh Bartonella infection, for instance, Bartonella actually causes endothelial damage in the blood vessels. And then when you're actually having mold and especially mycotoxins, it actually causes lipid proxosomes. Absolutely. And then lipid approxidase, which oxidize fat and just becomes a perfect storm, including heavy metal. Now you actually have a very low energy potential that's happening. So you have a cell membrane damage on top of that. So it just becomes a perfect storm. That's what you had mentioned about. Exactly. Which I always end up having to say is like you just don't know when something's gonna be triggered until this Humpty Dumpty effect comes into play. Right. Humpty Dumpty could be sitting or sitting on a wall, nothing's happening. Yeah, but just that little tiny stressor that comes in and then triggers and then flips over. Yeah, that's when you have a broken body.

Dr Pompa 8:23

Absolutely. I I describe it as this the bucket overflows, yeah. And that's when the damage starts, right? And that's what happened. Bucket tipped over, um, perfect storm, catastrophic. And for people that don't know that the George Clooney movie, uh the year of 2000, I think it was released. Uh, three weather fronts came together. It was based on a true story. The true story. And the three weather fronts, when they come together, stresses, think that, right? Three stresses come together, catastrophic storm, boom, right? A lot of lives uh taken and a lot of damage done. And that's what happened to you. It's what happened to me, too, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

And this is becoming a common issue right now, especially people dealing with post-COVID sequali problems. It's right, adding to this perfect and CAS, we're talking about the tsunami issues, hypoactivation syndrome, all that. Yeah. Everything is just the onset of cell danger response.

Dr Pompa 9:12

That's right. Okay, we're gonna talk about a cell danger response. So hold that thought right there, because I know a lot about this, you know a lot about this, but the world doesn't. And so we're gonna bring that because that's really why people are sick, remain sick, um, stay in autoimmune, stay just with these symptoms that they feel like they have done everything to fix, they've changed their diet, they're taking supplements, they're trying, and they're still sick. You could be in a cellular danger response. We're getting there. All right. So fast forward now through this, right? Um, how did you peel back this onion? Uh, you know, to say, okay, you know, when did you learn you were in a mold exposure? Uh you kind of got all these diagnoses at once, uh, heavy metals, uh, lime, bar. Yeah. So then what did you? Okay. So uh the mold exposure, you have high levels of biotoxins. Did you figure out where your source was?

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Yes. Okay. I grew up in a very moldy house. Okay. Number one. Number two, I grew up in a very abusive household as well. So another storm. Another storm for as a child. And I didn't realize how much of that childhood impact leads into neuroinflammation and hypersensitivity of the gut. So even look at the nowadays, now looking at the data in terms of especially like women who's dealing with hypothyroid issues and Hashimoto's, they're finding more and more women who actually grew up in a very abusive or emotionally neglected household have a high respect to developing these hyper diseases.

Dr Pompa 10:36

Absolutely. We store trauma at the cellular level just like we store a toxin.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Absolutely.

Dr Pompa 10:42

And again, the mistake that I see in alternative medicine, um, I'm always more critical of alternative medicine than I am often in regular medicine because they're not set up to look at cause. They're dealing with symptoms, they're saying there's a time and a place for that. But alternative medicine, I feel, is not digging to the cause. It's not. It's not understanding, you know, that these stressors put together is what why people get sick. And oftentimes people want it to be one thing. You know, I just want it to be Lyme. I just want it to be heavier. No, it's it's you're a combination of these things.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

And that's exactly what you've described. It really is. And one thing that I'm also criticizing on the functional medicine portion is that a lot of conventional doctors and health coaches are getting into this because obviously they had issues on their own and made the pinnacle in terms of getting into that field, but they're actually looking at the functional medicine in the allopathic medicine model.

Dr Pompa 11:34

I couldn't agree more.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

Which is a problem as well. So if you look at the complex cases like moltoxicity, any type of biotoxin issues, including autoimmune and these common issues that we're seeing these days, you have you cannot be looking in in a singular approach. Instead, you have to look at in a more of a 4D approach of what's really happening in that area. And you really have to look at in terms of the person's environment, the nervous system, the cellular impact, the entirety of the in uh detox pathway, and then how's a microbiome aspect that comes into play? And why is a person not having the enhancing resiliency cellularly to undertake this issue? And unfortunately, a lot of people are in that scenario of that Humpty Dumpty effect that I mentioned about. And it's it's an issue.

Dr Pompa 12:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Okay, so um, what did you do first? Well, first we looked at in terms of what's impacting this issue is mitochondrial dysfunction. So this was when my blood tests actually, and our mentor, Dr. Ed Cain, my blood work, yep. Um God bless him. I mean, especially not with us anymore, but yeah. So my blood work, specifically about blood cell fatty acid analysis, was sent to Dr. Ed Cain. He analyzed it, and then afterwards he gave up customized lipid uh replacement therapy for my doctor to go through. So utilizing RVPC, body biosol liposomal phospholipid therapy, and different types of fatty acids were placed into that.

Dr Pompa 12:59

And by the way, I I want to just commend you right there, okay, people watching this. You know, detox starts right there. Uh, you know, I Ed was so ahead of his time on the importance of the cell membrane, right? And my five R's of how we detox a cell, heal a cell. Uh R number one is remove source, right? If you're still living in a moldy home, good luck. You know, you're not going to get well. Um, but R number two is regenerating these cell membranes. I uh how I got my life back, that was step two, you know, step one and two for me too. You know, I started really, I started putting all the right fats in, getting rid of the bad fats. I knew I had to regenerate my cell membrane. What comes in that cell and what's able to come out, the toxins, is determined by that membrane. Life and death begins on the membrane. Membrane. So it's funny.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

We we started at the same uh education in the place. Yeah. So that was something, but I got so sick after do it utilizing that because I was so toxic to begin with. So you start dumping toxic bile. And I was not really aware of it. But I was actually on a very such a high response stress state that I was not accounting for either. Right. So it was a lot of learning experience, and afterwards utilizing some of the herbal. So especially like Byron White formula, uh utilizing AP.

Dr Pompa 14:10

So that was you, then you started going after some of the lime with the Byron White formula.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Bartonella, uh, and uh mycotoxin, especially, viral issues, especially Epstein Barr was a heavy load on my end. See, all these are opportunistic pathogens.

Dr Pompa 14:22

Absolutely. If you your body would have dealt with them if it if it didn't have this heavy metal exposure, the trauma, and the biotoxic exposure through a mold. Yeah. So I want everyone to hear that. It was those big things, stressors, that set you up for these infections that ran right rapid. So again, when people are out there just trying to treat candida, parasites, Epstein bar, Lyme, you're not going to be successful unless you get to these other storms and your nerve system that locked you into this.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Huge environment is another part as to actually look into play. I mean, nowadays, I look at non-native EMF, especially also blue light exposure, that's actually causing a lot of problem in terms of methylation. But also when you're dealing with non-native EMF, it causes cell membrane damage. Yeah. So all these people that are getting sicker and sicker, is it the toxin issue or is it the overwhelming response to non-native EMF DSA in the environment that's causing the cell membrane to be in a dysfunctional state and everything just gets on top of being dumped on top of that?

Dr Pompa 15:22

And and by the way, um, when you're at this, all these stressors that came against you, right? And myself as well, now you don't toler, you don't adapt to that EMF exposure. The body's ability to adapt will keep it, meaning it's not good for anybody. But people make the argument, well, yeah, but why is it affecting me and not Joe? Why is this because see, they're still adapting, not that it's good for them, because you don't want to keep forcing your body to have to adapt. But once you get these other stressors, you don't adapt. And now that EMF is driving cellular inflammation in a massive way.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Yeah. Because you're not adapting to it anymore. Absolutely not. But also another issue is like in terms of the person's history, is the biggest important. Yeah. How they grew up, the genetic type, the epigenetic expression, and then the actual the cell membrane potential that they have. And a lot of these people that have a low redox issues resulting in the case. Explain to

Membrane Potential Makes Energy

SPEAKER_01 16:14

them what cell membrane potential is, because that's a big, big deal and a big thing. Absolutely. So cell membrane in itself is a phospholipid bilateral structure within within the two layers of fat fats, right? You have a phospholipids, and then you actually have the linoleque and alpha linolic touch up to into as the structure inside the cell. Now that cell membrane's integ uh integrity is vital for you to detox, get nutrients in, things to detox out, right? So everything, it's not the binder. It's a cell membrane, right? That's the that's what's really drives your body to creating energy.

Dr Pompa 16:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

And that membrane potential in itself, that whole thing about Krebs cycle, especially the mitochondria, utilizing the amount of fat and then having the right amount of beta oxidation to creating energy in that sense of that.

Dr Pompa 17:04

Membrane potential literally is how you make energy. Energy. Membrane potential is how your cell works. And to keep it simple for people to understand is if we when you measure a membrane potential, literally the lower it gets, the closer to death the cell becomes and the worse your health gets. People that end up with cancer have very low membrane potentials, right? So this potential, uh, we know that all the stressors we're talking about decimate the potential of the membrane.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

And one of the things I always tell my clients, and including the practitioners that I teach, is that the main goal for us to increase redox potential in your in your body, right? That's the whole goal. Everything from fixing your environment to nervous system to cellulity. And explain redox to them. Yeah. It's basically a simple thing as to creating more electronic potential in the cell in itself. So this way you're able to have a better vitality within the cells to creating energy and then keeping the immune system in in check, right? And and such.

Dr Pompa 17:58

Yeah. So like the the the power, your ability to deal with oxidative stress and yet create oxidation to make energy, there's a perfect balance. And that's really what redox is. Yeah. And a healthy cell does it so perfectly.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

It does it very well. However, when is an introduction of the stress response? That is when the mitochondria, instead of making ATP, now is going to defense mode. Okay. Right. All right.

Cell Danger Response Explained

Dr Pompa 18:24

Okay. So now we've entered the cellular danger response. You, like me, we're both stuck in a cellular danger response, which simply means I'm gonna, I'm gonna, and I'm gonna state it and then you can polish it. Okay. All right. We've learned in um, you know, our biology that your mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell, right? So think of it as a factory that makes energy. What we didn't learn is it has another, arguably, I don't say, more important function, but equally as important of cellular defense, surveillance, meaning your mitochondria literally is surveillance of the cell going, okay, are we in trouble? We're good, we're good. When it senses trouble, it goes from manufacturing energy. So think of a factory to battleship mode. I'm gonna save your life, I'm gonna deal with this infection, this stress, whatever it is. So it enters into this cellular danger response, danger, danger, danger, battleship mode. Instead of utilizing ATP as an energy, it sends it out as a molecule to say, hey, we got problems. And there's something called damps and amps, these signaling molecules that get sent out that oftentimes make their way to the thyroid, right? It's like make it because they want to reduce your energy, pull the energy into survival. And people have no idea what's going on, that their mitochondria is trying to save their life. They're stuck in survival mode instead of thrival mode. All right, add to that.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

So that's the damp, the angel-associated molecular pattern, right? And that's the extracellular ATP, the cell end up having to dump as a signal molecule out to the periphery. Yep. And this is where the extracellular ATP can actually turn into special probe resolver mediators, which I will go into more deeply, but in terms of how you know, body's able to keep that balance. And every person that's living right now is going through some type of cell danger response. Yeah. Right? That's it. It's just that where you are is the biggest question in terms of why you're stuck in that cell danger response, and then why you're not able to turn back and creating that overall healing they're looking for. So that's the biggest problem.

Dr Pompa 20:32

And that's a great point because when someone gets the flu, you go into a massive cellular danger response. By the way, that's what puts you on the couch, right? Meaning your body's not allowing you to use the energy, it's using it as a signaling molecule, blah, blah, blah. But your body, part of the cellular danger response is upregulating immunity, turning it on, cytokines, inflammation. You feel like crap. However, it's activating your immune system against the invader, and then you feel better. And then you come out of the off the couch, you're moving out of the cellular danger response, your mitochondria goes back into producing energy that you can use, all is well. But that's not what happens to a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

They get stuck. They get stuck either. So, in connection to this, Dr. Robert Navio, who really been the pioneer in looking at cell danger response, and he really explained in terms of why people are certainly stuck, right? So when you look at the explanation of these cell danger response one, two, and three, you have one where there's more of an innate immune response. So you just perfectly regret what I just described. But the issue is that in that context, the body is trying to get into autophagy or mitophagy, which is supposed to get the cellular debris out. But another thing that could have been. Or mitophagy getting rid of bad mitochondria. So a second thing that actually happens is that the mitochondria shuts down DNA methylation. Why? The DNA methylation can cause more oxidative stress in the body. So, as a reserve capacity, the mitochondria are trying to do and protect is shuts down DNA methylation. But what's the most critical thing that a lot of functional medicine practitioners do? Giving methylated B vitamins. And then you see these phenomena where people are having overreaction to the B vitamins that cannot even tolerate it. Right.

Dr Pompa 22:17

And unfortunately, that's getting diagnosed. I don't even know what is it diagnosed the correct word, but um marked as, oh, you just have a SNP, MTHFR, da-da-da. And it's not the case. No.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

It's what you're saying. It really is. So you have to really support that. And critically, the point is you cannot directly affect change in the methylation process. You have to look at the methotransverse choline pathway, where in that process, you're actually making phosphocholine and creatine. So to ease that pressure in the homocysteine cycling. But so that's a whole different discussion. But in in the process, is that everything that we're doing, the mitochondria is trying to dictate to really getting the body back in order. But when you have an overwhelming response to this stress response from possibly dealing with mold, environmental toxicity, psychological, emotional stress response, including physical stress response, goes into a haywire, that overwhelming response in terms of getting back into normalcy is not happening there. That is when the mitochondria, especially being stuck in that cell danger response. And then that where where when you're trying to step into something called CDR2, whereas more of that. CDR cellular danger response to meaning one more phase whereliferative phase, where when you have a broken skin, for instance, your body's supposed to heal. It's just that when you have a rapid growth and whereas an uncontrolled growth, where's what's happening? Cancer, right? That can also occur. And then the third part, which is CDR3, or cell danger response three, that is when tissue and hormonal differentiation as you come in, cell two communication occurs as well. Unfortunately, when you have a mishappening of this healing cycle, that is when the body gets to stuck mode. Chronic pain, autoimmune disease, psychological trauma, right? And then post-COVID sequelae we're seeing more often these days.

Dr Pompa 24:07

Yeah, but most post-COVID is dysautonomia, aka so a danger response, really. I mean, that's what dysautonomia is. Um, and people don't know that, but I have watched this happen. I identified it very early without even one study, one person uh telling me, I'm like, oh no, post-COVID is a CDR. I I know this, I see it, I know what it looks like. And this virus, man-made virus, was so stressful to the immune system, the neuroimmune system that, you know, it threw people into a CDR. And you know what I found? I found that it it was the people who, again, were already stressed. Yes. They were the ones, right, that ended up in this cellular danger response post-COVID. And man, do we have a problem right now?

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Metabolic disorder they're already dealing with. They have an existing Epstein bar that got retriggered. They had hidden line, hidden Lyme disease and Bartonell infection. Yes. Right? Yeah. And then everything that goes on is just a re-triggering of it. Why? Because your innate immune dysfunction uh dysfunction already existed to begin with. That's right. Well, COVID just threw a kerosene into the fire, right? And just blew everything up. Yeah. So you already have an existing mitochondrial dysfunction to begin with. Yeah. And then it just told the truth into what's really happening there. Absolutely. So when I tell clients is this, that you cannot utilize one single modality or one single supplement to reverse this issue. You need to have a sequential ways in terms of reversing cell danger response to get to the overall recovery that you're looking for.

Dr Pompa 25:34

Yeah. Okay, great. Yeah.

The Encore Method Framework

Dr Pompa 25:36

So let's talk about that. Like what is, if someone out there is watching this saying, gosh, that's me. Okay, I step one is get yourself out of the stress. Meaning, you know, again, if you're in a moldy home, uh, you know, you better figure out a way out of that, right? If you're in an abusive relationship, uh, you're not going to, you can go all the counseling in the world, but you're going to have problems, right? So step number one is get rid of the stressors.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

So one of the things I actually have the sequential method called Encore Method. So it stands for environmental factor, nervous system regulation, cellular optimization, optimizing detox pathway, rebounding the microbiome, enhancing resiliency. Okay. The reason that I came up to the B is that reflecting on my overall recovery as well as working with some of the most sensitive clients, I noticed that just working on cells and just working on microbiome is not going to be the issue. It doesn't lead into the overall.

Dr Pompa 26:27

How many people are trying to get their microbiome? Because microbiome is everything microbiome. I just had this discussion with some like, look, your microbiome is way downstream from what's going on up there. I couldn't agree more.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

So we look at the environment aspect of it. So looking at, all right, is the environment dealing with mold toxicity issues? Right. Is it is there any history dealing with leaks or having overgrowth of these particular toxic mold in the house? And the second thing you have to look at is the type of non-ABMF that I mentioned about, right? The light exposure, how that's impacting the overall stress response.

Dr Pompa 26:59

Because all those things affect the mitochondria, the very thing that's keeping you locked in the CDR. Absolutely. Right? Bad light, uh, mitochondria works on energy because of light. Yep. So putting yourself under fluorescent lights and LED lights and LED lights. Yeah. Uh horrible. And then you mentioned the EMF, right? The EMF's stress on the mitochondria is great. So getting rid of those stressors off the mitochondria now starts to open up the door to getting well.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

At least you control that. And then you're looking at the relationship structure as well in terms of the spouse and then the how they grew up. And if there's a broken relationship between parents as well, that could be also affecting in terms of how that person's energy.

Dr Pompa 27:40

But people, if I were watching this, though, I'd be like, you know, Cam, what can I do about that? I, you know, I mean, think about that. I, you know, I'm doing counseling. I, you know, what would you say to that?

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Well, you gotta you gotta start from the beginning. You just have to do is control what you can. Yeah, I agree. And then able to work through the process. That's my response.

Dr Pompa 27:57

Control what you can and then, you know, work through those other processes. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

And everything is But step one is identifying it's part of the problem. Correct. And then you're also trying to do everything you can to increase that redox potential I mentioned about. So circulating rhythm is very important in terms of getting the right light in the environment. Right. Yeah. So that's really important thing. And then really phasing into getting the right water, mineralization into the taste this water, it's great.

Dr Pompa 28:22

Dude, this is the best water in the world, I swear. Yeah, I you know, it's like I put their system in my house, and my my wife fell in love with the water. My last guest took one sip and was like, okay, that might be the best water I ever tasted. I mean, I believe it's very light and it's very refreshing as well. Yeah. So thank you. It's 40 parts per million of hyperoxygenation. Ah. And that's what makes it so uh, you know, it's it's like a perfect stream water, is really what it is. But anyway, yeah, a four is amazing. So, anyways, good. Perfect water, changing all those things.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

And then the second part is once you start to work on the environment, now you have to really help to work in the nervous system.

Heart Coherence Breathing Practice

SPEAKER_01 28:58

So this is with a heart coherency effect. It's a heart math technique that I teach clients with.

Dr Pompa 29:02

It's such a describe it a little bit. So, yeah, environment. That's kind of like my R1. And now you're getting into like, let's get the nerve system to Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

So once so the effect is the fact that your heart in itself has 40,000 different nerves is able to um sense the environment in terms of trauma, the information, everything else. So when you actually have a person who actually is a very hyper-vigilant state, and this is what I call the microglial priming and the mast cell priming issues, where they're very hyper-vigilant, this is where this type of heart coherency breathing technique can be very helpful. Why? Because once you start to create that coherence in the bottle, body, the body is able to sync your heart rhythm, your organ, your liver, and your gut to be more of a calming effect that's gonna be better controlled. Describe, because they don't know what that is. Describe this technique. Yeah. So heart coherency is uh so the there's an institute called Heart Maths Institute that actually came up with this particular technique called heart coherent breathing technique. It's a very simple thing. Should we do it? Absolutely. So you just basically close your eyes and then you're picturing what's positive. So generally, it's what you want to you love, what you're happy about, and what you're grateful about. And you're focusing all you think about that, you're focusing in the area of your heart as you start doing so, you start noticing much of a calmer system in your nervous system, including your body. As you start to focus on that positive thought, you're gonna be breathing into your nose five seconds, you're gonna exhaling out seven seconds or inhaling.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Exhaling out.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

And that's it. You basically actually tell clients to do this for about five to ten minutes twice a day, even three times a day, to really create in this and that's it, and you're focused on the uh positive things.

Dr Pompa 31:22

You've the positive things. Can it be the same thing every day or same thing every day?

SPEAKER_01 31:26

And why is that? Because your brain and your nervous system cannot perceive whether it's mental stress, emotional stress, or physical stress. That's right. You're changing that facet in terms of changing that facet in terms of what's positive, and it's a God-given tool that He gave us. And that's a really big change that actually helped shift me.

Dr Pompa 31:45

I start every day in gratitude, but I think, you know, taking it to the uh I had John Dillard on who took me through the this breathing thing, and uh, it really does kind of resync. So, what you're saying though, that is the fastest way to basically get your nerve system just to recenter homeostasis as a foundation.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

And there's certain people who are very overreactive because of their trauma. This is where, you know, EMDR technique, somatic work, trauma specials was a really powerful thing to do.

Dr Pompa 32:13

I I just interviewed uh um a woman doing brain mapping, and they're basically doing the same thing. They're just re-getting the brain through neuroplasty to basically calm down their nerve system. So there's a lot of different techniques. Yeah, but this is one I love that though, because this is one everyone can do right now. Huge. Yeah, but again, there's there is EMDR, there is the brain mapping techniques and a lot of other things. Absolutely. But okay, so that's you the you feel getting that nerve system to come back if you will.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

And then the third part is going to be celluloptimization. So this is where circadian vitamin is very, very important. Not just about taking phospholipids, but the circadian is really important. Why? That circadian vitamin, especially the morning light, having to trigger the palm C gene and that whole pathway in terms of energizing come closer to your mic, just energizing. You can move the mic too, sorry. Energizing your entire cell and waking up the mitochondria. But specifically, this phenomena through the sunlight actually helps to structuralize water in your cells to help to further detox and help to normalize this whole sequence of the mitochondria.

Dr Pompa 33:19

Wow. Okay, so the the let's bring some concrete what to do here. But let me just say this story. So my son Simon, who had lost 80, 90 pounds, uh, he lost it very quickly. And um, but I said, hey, you're gonna release some toxins. Yeah, I knew I knew him very well. Uh, anyways, he's my youngest. So, but uh, you know, he he started my detox, he started doing these things, but I was like, your circaum rhythm's terrible. Uh I, you know, he was getting anxiety, da-da-da-da-da. So I said, go to bed at this time, wake up at this time as a step one. It transformed him, Doc. It transformed him. You know, I mean, just getting his right, he was going to bed way too late, getting up way too late. His rhythm was off, you know, he wasn't out in the sun. I mean, he was doing everything wrong. Uh, I just did a video on my Instagram and I had him talk about that story. Okay. And then that's that's how fast this can be.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

The fastest thing, but then also what sunlight does actually helps to decrease mass cell activation.

Dr Pompa 34:17

That's right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

So that's that's another powerful part. But also that structural water portion is really important. Now, people don't know that the mitochondria actually makes his own water.

Dr Pompa 34:26

By the way, this is actually structured water. You know, I mean yeah, exactly. And he has a whole process of why he structures it and how he structures it. It's living water, like what comes out of a stream and non-toxic. But um, I that's why people get transformed, right? But okay, so the point, let's go through concrete what someone does. Take us through this next step. Next step.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

So the the circadian rent is one, the okay, but I'm sorry, circadian rent tells what to do. Oh. Specifically. Specifically. Yeah. Great. One of the tools I actually utilize uh tell clients is this to download this particular app called the My Circadian. It was actually there's a perfect app. Actually was uh developed by my friend Sarah Kleiner. And that particular app is going to tell you exactly what time you should be waking up during the daylight. Daybreak.

Dr Pompa 35:12

I love this.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

The reason being, how do you spell it? My circadian, all one word. Oh, my? Yep, and why and then circadian. And that particular app is gonna tell you exactly what time you should be waking up.

Dr Pompa 35:23

My circadian app, right?

SPEAKER_01 35:24

Yep, correct. Got it. And that app's gonna help you find which one.

Dr Pompa 35:29

The second one right here. Second one. There it is. All right, I'm gonna show them. Okay, so here it is, guys. It's see that and see.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

There you go. There.

unknown 35:42

See it? There you go. Okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Perfect tool that I utilize for my clients. Yeah, yeah. I just didn't want to let them hang on. No, no, no, no. It's really helpful with that. So why I first thing I recommend clients to do is go outside during the day break. The reason being is the emission of that blue light and the infrared is going to really help to trigger that metabolic change in the body. So that's the vast given.

Dr Pompa 36:03

And then really help to watch the what about um in the winter or something? I mean, can red light therapy? Um, do you like it? Do you use it?

SPEAKER_01 36:11

So I use an EMR tech uh crypton UV, which actually built in UVA and UVB along with their infrared. So I utilize that as a tool for other clients to use.

Dr Pompa 36:21

Yeah, I have one that is a ball. I got it off of um shielding um shielding safe. Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Anyways, I'll think of it as a animal fee store with the red, red light.

Dr Pompa 36:32

But it has like all the frequencies, and then I can bring in some red light. Spectrum light. Yeah, full spectrum. It mimics the sun, takes people out of um uh seasonal effective disorder. I actually have that on my desk. Shield, uh Yeah, that's what I have. I have it on my desk. I have it right there. So when I'm sitting at my desk, I turn it on, right? And then I even throw some red light for a little bit. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

So very powerful in that. So light has to come into play. Why? This light actually to create safety signal. So it's not about supplementation. What we really have to do is teach our clients and even clinicians uh how to create safety in the body to get the cells into the state.

Dr Pompa 37:08

Breathing creates safety because gratitude, focusing on that, getting everything lined up. The light creates safety. You're getting your rhythm when you wake up and it creates safety. It's a routine. It's so you're telling the the mitochondria who is cellular surveillance, who's going, We're not safe, we're not safe, keeping you in that safe, taking your ATP, not utilizing it for energy, and you're telling it you're safe.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

Safe, including the environment, right? Yeah. That removal of the toxin itself, creating that safety aspect of it. So my whole concept, and especially where that this whole function medicine is happening right now, looking at one single model trying to supplement one thing to create one change is never going to happen, never gonna happen unless you create that particular safety cycle. So this way the mitochondria feels safe in order to reversing its course to creating that energy that's looking for. And that's the biggest difference that shifted in terms of myself, but also the clients I've been working with.

Dr Pompa 38:07

Yeah. Exactly. And then, you know, my work as far as the stuff we need to get our membranes healthy again and, you know, our mitochondria, et cetera, you know, this can start to come into

Fix Membranes Before More Supplements

Dr Pompa 38:19

place, but everyone can start this right now.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

Right now, without even doing anything else. Yeah. So that's really important. And then that's the phase in terms of supplementation with the right fats. Right. Right. So body bio PC, for instance, to restructure all the cell membrane, the outer membrane.

Dr Pompa 38:32

And Dr. Kim, first of all, get rid of the all the bad fats, get rid of the vegetable oil, canola oil, seambone oil, because that goes right for the membrane. You know, one of the criticisms I have right now is everyone says omega-6 is so bad. You have all these big influences. Omega 6 is so bad. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Rancid omega-6 is the problem. And the reason why it's so bad is because it's so damn important to that cell membrane.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

But then when you talk about linoleag and affinolig, which is a you know overall, those are your parent fats. Parent fats too. There's your omega-3, omega-6s that you cannot live without. You cannot. And that's the essential part that's so critical, tech chip, to downregulate inflammation, restructuring cell membrane, critical in terms of structuralizing that, remineralizing. So utilizing full spectrum of minerals is very important there, right? Water. Use of butyrate, sodium butyrate is probably important. I love butyrate, man. Why? Because it actually acts as a chemical chaperone. And by the way, it helps the gut and the cell membranes. Exactly. So the discussion of it acts as a chaperone.

Dr Pompa 39:34

Explain that.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

So the discussion of something called a DNA adduct. You know, we talk about mold as being in terms of causing immune dysregulation allergies. There's a lot more than that. Especially when you talk about aflotoxin, uh, okrootoxin, trichothesin, and gliotoxins, these actually bind to the cell membrane, but specifically in the DNA structure. So that changes the epigenetic expression of the particular cell. But one of the things, how do you reverse that change is basically important there? So this is where butyrate comes in. So specifically, sodium butyrate is very powerful to reversing these things because they actually act as a chemical chaperone. It cleaves off these toxins away from the DNA.

Dr Pompa 40:10

Off the membrane.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

Correct. And then the PC, phosphorylphus, comes in, basically comes as to not only to mend the cell membrane, but to sweep that toxin away. And another powerful agent called Tutka comes and helps to relieve the structural uh stress, but especially the protein misfolding, and relieve the stress in the endoplasmic reticulum. So that in response to all the stresses, again, safety and the endoplasmic reticulum works with the membranes as well.

Dr Pompa 40:39

So you're talking about inner membranes at the mitochondria and endoplasm. These are the ordinelles in the cells, like the organs in your cells. But when you're taking these good fats, getting rid of the bad, you're also repairing those organ systems in the cell.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Yeah, because mycotoxin actually causes protein misfolding. And that in itself caused already a poor expression of epigenetics you're looking at and the disease state as well. So TOTGA is a very powerful ways agent to reverse these things. And then it also helps dump toxic bile, too. Correct. And you know, talking about bile, for instance, mycotoxins end up having to impact how bile is getting produced, but also the rate limiting steps, especially the cytochrome uh 7A1, this is a particular rate limiting steps that mycotoxins, especially uh ochre toxins and aflatoxins, stop doing. And these are toxins that mold produces. Correct. And we could go specific in that scenario. But another thing that actually stops is something called a bile salt um extra pump, where the the ways in terms of pumping that bile acid out, well, unfortunately, these mycotoxins are having to stop that. So there's a double whammy in that scenario. So not only Totka helps that out, but also replacing the bile by adding an ox bile can be very helpful. So you're replacing secondary and primary bowels uh bile salt, that's gonna be very helpful too.

Dr Pompa 41:57

Yeah, one of Kane's things was that, right? You know, you're bringing in some of these better fats like PC and some of the other parent omega-6 and threes. Um but the the bile is always a challenge, right? And and by taking those important fats with bile salts also helps break them down for people to utilize too. So there's kind of a dual benefit from it.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

Using that sensor, but also the discussion about oftentimes I see clinicians just utilizing binders to get rid of the mycotoxins. Right, that's not it. Yeah. You have to really look at the cellular impact of how that is. Absolutely.

Dr Pompa 42:33

Yeah, it's part of it. We we want to put use binders in the gut that grab those and pull them out so you don't redistribute them, but it's such a small part of it. It's really what's going on at the cell is the key to getting this done.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

Yeah, exactly. So that's more the critical part that we work on. And the next part is to optimize that detox pathway. Right. So we talked about the bio.

Dr Pompa 42:52

Meaning all the downstream stuff that's huge issues that we have to work on the gut function.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

Unless you've actually fixed the fungal overgrowth in the gut itself, you cannot fix that mycotoxin issue. Why? Because when you're talking about mycotoxin, especially getting colonized in the nose, that mold spore can actually transfer down to the gut and re-colonize it. So you have to look at how the entryway of the mycotoxin to come into play, especially mold spores, doing active nasal irrigation to clean things out. We have to look at how biofilms get to play come into play, as well as the colonization of the mold and such.

MARCoNS, Biofilms, Nasal Colonization

Dr Pompa 43:26

Okay, let's talk about that. You brought up marcons. Okay, so what does marcons mean? Okay, by the way, these are literally antibiotic resistant bacteria that colinate in your nasal passage. That um I think was it shoemaker that was one of the first to be a little bit more than a bigger pioneer in looking at this. Okay, so that many mold people have this, these bad guys here that affect the gut, keep the gut from repairing. Correct. And mold is a stimulator. But by the way, I found the cavity. Gravitation is a problem with these guys. So that's another story. Okay, so talk about these guys. So these things end up there. How does mold form them? And then what do we do about them?

SPEAKER_01 44:10

I have a one special story to share with you. I had this one client who was dealing with mass activation issues. We did everything to clean up the gut, especially the mold. It was still triggering a lot of issues. One thing that she forgot to mention to me, and even actually done extensive questioning on this part, she didn't let me know that she actually had a root canal. So we got the root canal taken out, we sent it to a biological lab to test it. Lyme, like genomyces, mold, and parasites.

Dr Pompa 44:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

And once that got taken out, a lot of the sensitivity issues.

Dr Pompa 44:41

Absolutely. I've seen that so many times I can't even tell you. Yeah. Hidden infection, uh whether it's cavitation, root canals, is a massive, massive stress. And once you get rid of that, now the immune system could start working with you. Okay, so these markons uh that are common with these hidden infections, but mold. So what Schumacher originally found was you can't fix the gut until you get rid of these things. He was uh introduced um this double, triple antibiotic um spray. Back spray. The back spray. You know, I pack in the past have used it. I felt like there was it worked okay. Some people didn't react at all. You know, I've replaced it with more natural things, you know, that deal with the biofilm or these suckers.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

Natural ones works better. What's that? Natural things works better.

Dr Pompa 45:30

Yeah, absolutely. And that that was my my finding. Um, there's this that aqua lorin. It's a biofilm buster that works really good in conjunction with some of these new silvers. Yeah. Um, what have you found?

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Simple things you could buy at a local pharmacy. Right? I love it. X Lear nasal spray, which contains Xolitol. Yep. And then I also recommend utilizing rescue, their their line of something called the rescue nasal spray. It contains oregano oil, contains tea tree oil, and other antimicrobial.

Dr Pompa 45:58

X Lear makes it. Okay. X Lear makes the one with the oregano.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

So what I would do is I'll recommend And it's in pharmacies. You could just easily buy that. It's all easily accessible. It's very cheap as well. Simple thing you could do. And I carry that.

Dr Pompa 46:09

Taking that exact formula, I added aqua laurin to kill the bio, the it breaks up biofilm like nobody's business. That aqua.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Well, Zolotol does it as well.

Dr Pompa 46:17

I added a little silver and I just made my own cocktail.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

Hopefully it doesn't burn.

Dr Pompa 46:22

It wasn't bad.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

It wasn't bad at all. But biofilm is a big issue that we don't talk about.

Dr Pompa 46:27

So biofilm, folks, it's there, these look, biofilms are normal in the body, and they actually even protect our good guys, but the problem is they get taken over by bad guys. And these bad guys, you're doing all these killers, killers, killers, antibiotics. It's hiding in this biofilm. So you have to break it out. And that's what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

This is where xylotolchemics come into play and all calorie and you just mentioned about before. Yeah. Right. So really important there. Unfortunately, the conventional medicine doctors, if you, especially if you talk about ENTs, they don't really believe that mold can actually colonize in your system. Yeah. But when you shift that discussion and talk about biofilms, that's when they start thinking about, okay, there is a colonization issue going on. Of course. So it's hiding there. It's hiding there. So that's the reason why oftentimes people end up having to have a repeat issue with mold because you actually have mold concentration, especially mold spore being colonized in the nose. If you don't clean out properly and you have post-nasile drip, those spores end up having to colonise in your gut later. And when you actually have these kind of clients where they've tried everything from other antifungals and such, and they can't get the breakthrough they're looking for, usually is nose and then the mouth.

Dr Pompa 47:32

I agree. I I couldn't agree more.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 47:34

Nose and mouth, right? And then all of a sudden it allows the gut to start to be able to heal. And now some of the your attempts of helping your gut will actually work.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

Absolutely. And then even people who moved out of their multiplace and they're still sick. Why? Colonizing. Colonizing. Biofilm issues, all that stuff.

Dr Pompa 47:53

Yeah. Or and cellular danger. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, meaning your body's still in the mode of I'm going to save you. I'm going to save you. I listen, when I was sick, um, so many things when I got out of my exposures, right? I I had took me years to get a certain amount of mercury out of my brain. I got my life back, right? You know, getting it out years, not months, getting metals out. The biotoxic issue was easier to get out. I did everything that we talked about, but I was left in this. I mean, if I someone sat next to me with cologne, I mean MCS big time. Oh, yeah. And then I would be feeling great. And I'd walk into a moldy restaurant or hotel room and be like, what happened? My body went back into a CDR because the amygdala was like, I'm gonna save your life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

How do you deal with

Retraining Sensitivity And Fascia Release

SPEAKER_01 48:38

that? So this is a part where retraining of your nervous system is really critical there. Exactly. Right. So that's this is where the heart coherency that I just showed you is so critical that I tell clients that you have to do this. It's non-negotiable. Right. So this is a part to retrain your nervous system so that it's less vigilant. But as you start to get better, the mass activation issue starts to calm down as well. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So that's a critical part.

Dr Pompa 49:04

Uh the where you retrain your thoughts, um, what's it called right now? Uh um EMDR? Well, no, EMDR we talked about. Um, but um I don't want to just say thinking positively. It's it's um DNSR. Yeah, okay. DNSR. Geez. You know, I'm dyslexic. When I have to put four letters together, my brain goes, like if you would see what was going on in my head in that moment, you would not believe I was going through the alpha.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

No, yeah, anyway. I have ADD to begin with.

Dr Pompa 49:35

Yeah, it's like I mean, it's like it's crazy. It's amazing I can't even come up with it. It's amazing I even came up with it. Okay. But what do you think about that as a tool? Um, to I mean, I didn't even know about that, but I knew that I had to reprogram that. Yeah. So literally I had to start telling myself that it's okay. And you know, I had to get some small exposures and just get through it to get my body to say, you know, you're cool.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

But anyways, that you find the right practitioner that does that. Great. One thing that helped a lot for me was fascia valise. No, wow. Okay. Right? Where why is that? Fascia stores a lot of that trauma, right? Yeah. Fascia is not just a connective tissue, it actually stores memory, actually has water potential, electric potential, everything else. Right. So when you actually had these types of trauma from the fascia, folks, it sits under the skin.

Dr Pompa 50:24

It sits over your muscle. And it's uh I mean, it has a lot of functions, right? A lot of people who have chronic pain have fascia issues. But you're saying um, this is something I I didn't know. What Gary from uh the war garage. Oh, yeah. Well, did you make this video with uh Lena Rhimes? Yeah, uh yeah, yes, yeah, with the jaw. I was just like, oh my God. That was a lot of tension just released. Yeah. Yeah. So, but anyways, he he specializes in fascia release. So, what are some of your methods that you like to release fascia? But and you and again, you're saying it goes beyond aches, pains.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

You're saying that uh this is major major issues a lot of times is the store energy trauma that goes into play. I mean, one of the things I have a trusted uh chiropractor I go to and it worked out very well into releasing it. I mean, we did five hours of uh I mean, so we did yeah, with a good amount of uh breath work um on top of some other nervous regulation. But one of the things that really helped me with him was the fact that working my fascia and doc, you wouldn't believe I had so much bruise going on on my gut, like right on my stomach. Because all that tension I was holding on to, right, having to release that, and then the following day I was having fever, having aches and pains. Because why? You're releasing all those toxics.

Dr Pompa 51:38

So after you got this fascia work. Where can someone go or look up to get fascia work?

SPEAKER_01 51:43

Oh, there are special chiropractors who are trained in doing so. I mean, one of the trusted friends I have is his name is Sean Drake in Arizona. Scottsdale, to be exact. Yeah. Should definitely visit him.

Dr Pompa 51:52

I I was in um Florida. Florida, Fort Lauderdale area, and I someone sent me to this fascia expert was doing like Brazilian uh fascia work. I'm telling you, man, I like I felt like a new person coming out of there. It really is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

I mean, I I I did an Instagram video on that. Look for it. So things that used to bother me is it doesn't bother you anymore. Right. That really helped to change my personality, how I view things, and such. So it really made an impact. And that's something that a lot of my clients really needed as well. So one of my friends, good friend Kelly Kennedy, for instance, like she does a lot of fascia lymphatic work as well. Yeah, lymph work as well. So I sometimes refer my clients over to her to see that. Because there's certain things that I could do, right? Cellularly detoxing, but fascia work, et cetera, they're specials that to really get to the root of the issue. Because why? They have a they have a healing hand to work on that.

Dr Pompa 52:44

And Kelly Kennedy will tell you the fascia in relation to clearing lymph is very, very important. Right. So again, you could be holding a lot of infection, toxins, waste in your lymphatic system and the fascia being it, it's all tied up together.

SPEAKER_01 52:58

Yeah. We have a lot of mutual friends.

Dr Pompa 52:59

Yeah. Especially Kelly. Yeah, that's true. Um, yeah, okay. So uh on the steps, where are we?

Gut Strategy, Biofilms, Testing Choices

SPEAKER_01 53:07

So we're talking about optimizing detox pathway. Yeah, right. Uh we talked about the clearness of the nose. We talked about the gut, right? Unless you fix the gut, you cannot clear the toxins correctly. Um, the other part that we have to also looking at is now rebalancing the microbiome. Right. You actually have to have a very specific ways in terms of targeting those mycotoxins, right? So it's not about the binders. You also have to support to solubilizing the mycotoxins. Remember, mycotoxins end up having to be lipophilic. So it actually stays in the fat cells and such. So use of bioflavonoids, right? Use of certain minerals like melodinum actually helps to soluze mycotoxins. And this is oftentimes where people sometimes can actually be triggering issue dealing with binders. So you solized, then bind. That's the really important step that I teach my uh patients and clinicians as well. And then the next phase is what type of antimicrobials you're using. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 54:04

So what do you what do you like? I guess it depends on what you're dealing with.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

What you're doing. So usually when I see overgrowth of uh SIBO and CIFO, small intestinal fungal overgrowth, golden thread is very powerful to do so. Uh milia, merinda, right? Um golden thread. Golden thread. Uh, what was the other one? Melia. Melia. Melia, and then milia and a morinda are some of the two three powerful uh herbals I like to use. When you have a mixture of both viral issues like Epstein bar and fungal, I like to use an astragalus, which is a very powerful reason to doing that. So you're basically stacking some of these herbals up correctly. Yeah. And then the That's what I like to do too.

Dr Pompa 54:42

And then you when you oftentimes when you're going after one, you release others too. So it's good to stack.

SPEAKER_01 54:47

Stack is one thing. And then the other part that's really often very helpful is utilizing spore-based probiotic.

SPEAKER_03 54:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

So microbiome labs, especially. It's not the probiotic potential of it. The spore-based probiotic chops to increase oxidation in the gut, actually act as antimicrobial gently. But also I also utilize immunoglobulin, like IgG, for instance, actually binds to microbiome labs has both of those products. Correct. So that's something that's as a tool that I utilize for patients. Now, some people are very sensitive, so you have to be very careful with that. But generally, to fix the gut correctly and working to rebalance the microbiome in the system, really powerful to do so. And then as you start to decrease the fungal overload in the body, that's when you start to introduce biofilm busters. Right. So Japanese knockweed is very important. Yeah. And it's uh NSL cysteine is really important. Phospholipids, body bio PC, can be used as a biofilm buster, right? It dissolves that biofilm layer.

Dr Pompa 55:43

Yeah, the aqua lorin, you know, down the hatch, too.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

That's what so that's there's many tools out there. Yeah, there are, yeah. Yeah. Another thing that I like to use is uh Beyond Balance. They have a product called MCBFM.

Dr Pompa 55:54

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Yeah, MCBFMP, which is a pediatric version of the biofilm buster. And what's in it? Uh there's actually about 10 different herbals uh and minerals in there. So one of the things is Japanese knockweed, Google lip it. Yeah, and I like that product. Who makes it? Beyond Balance. Beyond Balance. Okay. So that's one of the tools that I utilize. And some people have to have a stepways in terms of introducing that biofilm. If you bust that biofilm too quickly, oh my God, that histamine response is gonna hit that person really fast. So do it really. And you have to have that. This is, I mean, as you know, it's an art, right? You have to really sense how the person is and where they are.

Dr Pompa 56:31

That's right. You have to deal with everyone very little bit differently, right? And very differently, oftentimes.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

And just because I'm saying this doesn't mean they're gonna go pick those herbals up and then throw it at the same time. Yeah. You have to really understand where that person is in their recovery journey of dealing with mold, and especially where they are in this cell danger response as well, and how much of mitochondrial dysfunction. Yeah. So, how do you assess that is based on how sensitive they are into the environment. If they're overreacting, they're having all these mast cells, you gotta you gotta put that break put into place. You gotta do it very, very slowly in this, in that sense.

Dr Pompa 57:04

So you know, and and by the way, I I this is again years of doing this. The people who are like not responding, this and that, they're that you know, things are getting worse. They're fighting it, there's probably still a stressor upstream that they haven't dealt with.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

So that's the thing. I always see the upstream issue. So this is where circadian is very important. Structure water, mineral is very important there, bringing safety. And one thing that's been really helpful for a lot of clients is molecular hydrogen. Yeah, they're adding on.

Dr Pompa 57:33

Yeah, especially when, you know, again, we through our microbiome, a healthy microbiome, you make hydrogen, right? Uh, it's you know part of a healthy gut. But oftentimes people are so compromised there they don't. And that's the people that I find when they take hydrogen, they go or drink hydrogen, they're like, whoa, I feel so much better. Okay, their gut wasn't even making the uh the amount that they needed.

SPEAKER_01 57:55

Yeah. And especially when you're dealing with SIBO, definitely not. Right. And you could tell that right away if you do a comprehensive stool analysis.

Dr Pompa 58:02

And well, some people with SIBO, you give them hydrogen and they don't do well because they have a certain form of bacteria that feeds from it.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Yeah, sulfur, especially. Yeah. Sulfur from bacteria. So you gotta be very, very careful. Again, comprehensive stool testing is gonna show you a lot of issues, right? So this is where the right testing modality that should always also dictate in terms of how the antimicrobial is going to be utilized. And then also uram mycotoxin testing. I love using real-time labs, and as was vibrant wellness. So those are the top two labs I looked at.

Dr Pompa 58:29

You know, I that's probably the first thing that we've probably disagreed on. I I find that uh, you know, again, training doctors, it's like, you know, you kind of get a lot more feedback than just, you know, um working with people just directly yourself. But I find it helpful it to show foodborne molds, but not helpful to know that if somebody's actually in a mold exposure, you know, it we've we actually did uh a study um ourselves to figure we people that we knew were in moldy homes and people who weren't, we knew we're in a safe home healthy. And it was like just a mixed review, meaning the people who they had super high levels oftentimes of the different mycotoxins on the urine test. Uh it was foodborne. I mean, whether it would be coffee or grains they were ingesting, right? And then opposite. And then we had people, you know, four people in the same house take the test, you know, two horrible, not uh two not, you know. So I don't know. I mean, I think there's a place for it because you don't want high levels anyway, whether it's food or environment. But as far as uh like saying, you know, oh, you're biotoxic and you're probably in a moldy home, I I don't find it as a good test.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

I actually have a tool to fix that issue. So I mentioned about how mold toxins are lipophilic. So people who've been chronically exposed to mold, when they actually do a uram mycotoxin testing, especially during real-time labs, you don't detect any mycotoxins at all. Oftentimes. That's not the point. Yeah. So what I do is I work with them for four weeks as you start to solualize the mycotoxin by utilizing right bioflabonoids and as well as minerals that helps to soluze the mycotoxins. So after about four weeks in terms of and working on the cell memory.

Dr Pompa 1:00:04

One of the things we did is fasted people for a day or two, and we definitely it helped. Yeah, it does. Right. You know what I mean? Because we're now we weren't getting overwhelmed with the food mold. Correct. Right, which obviously can throw it off. But I like that too. So right, because you get, you know, if you start chasing it off the cell, um, oftentimes, you know, even like taking some butyrate, some things that actually chase it out because it's lipophilic. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

So I've I've seen some doctors what they would do is if they're actually doing like IVPC or or IV sodium phenobutyrate, for instance, you could get butyrate IV, by the way. Yeah. That one after they're doing with the IVs, that's when they do the urine collection. Because what what they're trying to do is they help to soluze our mycotoxin. And I would agree.

Dr Pompa 1:00:45

I would agree then. You would actually definitely up the ante, so to speak, right? You know, because you're actually pushing because biotoxins from environment end up on the membranes. Yeah, correct. So makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

Many different ways of looking at that. And also depending on the testing company as well, like vibrant wellness is great for looking at the immediate exposure of the mold in your current environment. So specifically when you're looking at like mycophenolic acid, for instance, which is one of the things that actually helps to uh decrease the immune response, right? I mean, you probably know this, like there's a drug called mycophenylate or Cell CEP, which is given to kidney transplant patients. That particular drug, mycophenylate, comes from the mold toxin called mycophenolic acid. Right? So that's how bad these mycotoxins are, causing immunosuppression. Yeah. So bible wildness are very good at looking at that testing. But if you're looking at the overall impact of the cellular impact of the mold in itself, this is where bible wellness does better. So I mean, I'm sorry, a real-time does better. So depending on you know where that person is, but generally you look at that by also looking at organic acid testing as well. See what kind of mitochondrial dysfunction, how's that crop cycle working, also looking at glutathione production as well, how's that neurotransmitter functioning? All those things that are going to really give you the roadmap, strategy of how to steer that client from point A to point B. And this is where the sequential aspect of the encore method comes into play.

Recovery Timeline And Final Takeaways

Dr Pompa 1:02:12

Yeah, yeah, the encore method. So, how many uh uh years were you down? How long did it take you to bounce back?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:22

So it took me two years to get getting back. So my first six months I was bedridden. When I was just going through this detox, I was so sick to begin with. I mean, some days I mean I could not even get out of bed. Yeah. But as you start to clear out some of the one put one issue out, especially like the viral issues. Yeah, yeah. And then about gosh, about 12 weeks in, that's when some of the brain fog ended up having to disappear. Why? Because that's when the the increase in phospholipids and the fat intake really helped out.

Dr Pompa 1:02:54

Yeah, absolutely. And getting rid of the you know, the bad fats and bringing in the good. It can make a big difference in brain fog. What did you find um was the hardest part about you know that two years of the hardest part was the energy, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

So not able to do the things that I used to enjoy, you know, that was the most impactful part. But one of the things that really helped me bring more grounding issue affect was the fact that even though I was a speck of dust in this entire universe, that God saw me so precious that He saved my life. You know, I I'm a born-again Christian, but one of the things that really helped to impact major change in that point is that I didn't complain, but it it was moment in terms of pain to purpose. Right. So that really helped out there.

Dr Pompa 1:03:39

Yeah, exactly. And there's uh something that my wife and I talk about pain to purpose to promise. Um, because you know, God has a promise for us, you know, and he spoke that to my wife in my journey that not only is he gonna get me well, but I'm gonna take a message to the world. Absolutely. God had a promise for you too. I appreciate that. You sit here, you know, sharing these. You know, there's not many of us that are dealing with this like, you know, correctly at the cellar level. And um, you know, boy, boy, we need more of us. That's why I trained doctors for 20 years.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:12

No, no, I I always looked up though to you in terms of what where you were and where you are now, and especially building up the entire forefront in terms of teaching clinicians and such, yeah. That really gave me inspiration in terms of, you know, for me to go out there and teach clients, uh, clinicians as well. So, you know, going on stages and talking about this encore meta, talking about cell danger response, including hypersensitivity issues and such, you know, we need more physicians to be aware of the fact that there's a the medicine itself, including functional medicine, is broken. We need to be the wrecking ball of this entire model.

Dr Pompa 1:04:43

Absolutely. We need to get you on more podcasts, um, you know, because people need to hear the message. Have you been on Ben Azotti's yet?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

I have.

Dr Pompa 1:04:51

Okay, yeah, good. I got to go back on it. Yeah, he's Ben's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

I love him.

Dr Pompa 1:04:55

Because he's, you know, he's such a great messenger of this mission, which obviously affected his life too. How's the heart you know today now? It's great. Yeah, perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:04

I actually got a scan done a year ago. It's clean.

Dr Pompa 1:05:06

Yeah. I want people to hear that though, because if you'd have gone the medical route, you'd have been on medications your whole life with a dooms, you know, with basically doom and gloom, uh, you got to the cause. And that's what I hope people hear. You got to the cause of why your you know your arteries were inflamed, you know, forming plaque, clogging your you know, arteries, you know, affecting your heart. Medication could have made some of the symptoms better, but it would never have fixed you.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

It would not have been. I mean, the first thing my doctor put me on is on uh a torbostat in 80 milligrams.

Dr Pompa 1:05:40

I'm I found horrible afterwards. Yeah, of course. But worse for your brain, worse for your liver, worse for your joints.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

But at that point in time, I mean, I just had no energy but to just listen to the doctor at that point in time. But after figuring out the fact that there is a root issue, a major thing that I learned from this entire entire uh medical journey that I went through is cellular health. Right? Unless you make the changes in the cellular impact of what the stress is happening, you cannot get to the overall healing that you're looking for.

Dr Pompa 1:06:10

Did you hear that? I don't know. If it's when someone else says it besides me, I just find it so I love it. I just, I mean, I do. I just love it. I mean, because I can't tell you how frustrating it is that people think they're gonna detox with Corella, cilantra, this, that, the other thing, um, saunas, which I love saunas. I love a lot of these things, enemas, 10-day cleanse. It's like, no, real detox is a cellular problem. The reason you don't feel well, it's a cellular problem. If we're always so easy to just take more hormones, no, it's a cellular problem. It's why you can't hear your hormones. I mean, it's just, it's so refreshing just to hear someone else say.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

Even practitioners out there that are, you know, just basically stuck and don't know what to do with their certain clientele or patients who are very uh sensitive and uh complex. It's not about more supplements. It's about how bring safety and cellular function and increasing redox potential in the cell what matters. Yeah. Well, man, let's end there. How do they find you? Yeah, sure. My website is uh drjonkim.com. Uh so I actually have a wealth of information there, including a wellness community. Uh soon enough I'm gonna be, you know, working to mentor all the doctors as well who are looking to you know get into this field. Uh and then the second thing is my Instagram.

Dr Pompa 1:07:29

I'm glad you said that. So, you know, I'm moving out of the mentoring the doctor phase. You're moving in. Docs, he's the next one. Go ahead. Yeah. I appreciate that. Thanks so much. Absolutely, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:41

And my Instagram page is John.formd. Awesome, man. Dr. John Kim, that was an awesome conversation.

Dr Pompa 1:07:46

Doc, thank you so much. Beautiful, man. Thanks for being here, bro. Appreciate it. God bless you.