WEIGHT LOSS, CLEAR SKIN & LIVING FOREVER — CAN PEPTIDES REALLY DO ALL THAT?

Accountability, Insecurity, And Identity

SPEAKER_00 0:00

People always say, oh, you overcame this, overcame that. I caused it. I am an accountable person. I made myself into that situation and into that person. So there's one person to blame.

Dr Pompa 0:10

I had dyslexia as a kid, probably mostly for myself. Because when you compare yourself to other kids and you can't read and you're in seventh grade, you're stupid. In my mind. At that age, I didn't know that I had other superpowers because of the dyslexia.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

I had a lot of money, a nice house, a beautiful wife, every car, and every night I'd go to bed and I'd look at her and I'd look around me and I'd be like, why don't I feel good? Like, why do I feel bad?

Dr Pompa 0:33

People focus on the love part of God, but they also forget his judgment. He's both.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Every single human. I don't care how glorious they make themselves look. I don't care how much money they have. I don't care.

Dr Pompa 0:47

They all have issues. Every hard thing that happened to me, I needed to happen. God is that good. Maximize your performance in every way. Peptides, SARMs, exercise, nutrition, life in general. My next guest is going to bring it. Boy, you're going to get a lot out of this show. But I want to welcome Dylan Gamilli.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Thanks, man. I appreciate you having me.

Dr Pompa 1:11

Absolutely. Uh yeah, I can't wait for this conversation because I use peptides, I use SARMs. But one of the things I always say is, look, they're not all healthy. So we're going to talk about that. And maybe we even have some disagreements on which ones we think are healthy or not. I can't wait. No, my guests have been asking for more information on that topic. And so I'm really excited to bring that. You know a lot about hormones. You know a lot about a lot of things because pain to purpose has been your life. You know, and I can't wait to hear where it all started. You spent time in jail. I mean, all these amazing things. That's what makes people better.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

That's right.

Dr Pompa 1:49

Every great person in the Bible spent time in jail. It's true. It's true. I mean, it's crazy. And sometimes it's just mental jail, like David as he ran from Saul. But you know, uh the fact is, is that um that's where your whole life changed. Yeah. So I want to start there.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 2:06

I want to start there, man, because and if you if you want to go back even before that to set that up, you knock at it.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

I love it. Um, I like to talk about it, but let me just say this before I do that, because I people always say, Oh, you overcame this, overcame that. I caused it. I am an accountable person. Yes. I made myself into that situation and into that person. So yeah, I did overcome it, but I also caused it. Yeah. So there's one person to blame.

Dr Pompa 2:31

Yeah. That and that's true. You know, I want to say this at the top of the show reason why I don't want people to tune out. Part of your story was also an eating disorder.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 2:39

And that is such hush hush. People don't talk about it. When do you talk about that? When do you see that on social media? You don't. You're going to talk about that, come clean on that today as well. So I'm just setting people up because the the so many people are going to want to share this show. Yes. Um, because to your point, you cause that too. Absolutely. Right? You know, and and I don't say that in a bad way, but that is that taking responsibility. So I love that you started with that.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Oh, yeah. No, I I want to always be accountable first and foremost. It's a lost art anymore. And so it's just it really bothers me. I'm I'm I'm not old, but I'm old school how I was raised. And so, all right. So You're not old.

Dr Pompa 3:16

How old are you?

SPEAKER_00 3:17

43.

Sports Setbacks And Modeling Highs

Dr Pompa 3:18

Oh, yeah, you're not old. I'm 60. I guess I'm old. Am I old? I don't need close. You know what though? I was on the I was on uh a call. Uh she's my prayer warrior in our in our business, in our life. This woman's been a part of our life for many years. We call her our black grandma because she is. And um, but she's our prayer warrior. We call her CPO, our chief prayer officer. I love that. And um, and she's 95, bro. Wow. Still no glasses, really, and still traveling around praying for people. Anyways, she said to me, she was like, Dr. Bombo, you're 60 years old. You're you're in the prime of your life. Now, to her, that is true because she's thinking back 60 years. You know, but most people's 60 years, if the average age is 74, crap, prime of your life. You have 15 years left. You're almost no, that's why you need to pay attention to this show. That's right. Okay, anyways, go. Sorry, I just had the no, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

So and everything, my whole premise on how I operate is God first, and that's when my life really changed when I went that route. But there's a trajectory there. So I was actually you know, I'm a four-sport athlete in high school, and my whole life was sports.

Dr Pompa 4:27

A what board?

SPEAKER_00 4:28

What's that? What a first board. Four sport athlete.

Dr Pompa 4:31

Oh, for sport athlete. Okay, it all blended together. Yeah, for sport.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

So I played basketball, football, tennis, and baseball in high school all through. Now, as you get to the end, you have to kind of condense that it's too much.

Dr Pompa 4:43

Yeah, I was just gonna say that.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

So I went basketball, I played college basketball, and that's kind of where this started. So I got hurt twice. Um, two different schools, two different scholarships, gone. And my mom wanted me to do modeling and acting. Now, for me, it was a little too feminine. I didn't want to do it. But I started to look into it and I said, Oh, women, money, like the the way that they're dressing, because I did love fashion. And so I went ahead and did this audition, and they picked me, like they pick all kinds of people and they take your money and train you for six months and then take you to this big competition. It was called IMTA. And then they, you know, they flood you with, oh, all of these famous people came through here. Well, at the time, I was partying heavy and I was more concerned about that. So I really kind of blew off a lot of the training, didn't take it serious, paid all this money. Once again, my parents charged everything to pay for it. And uh I got out there and there's 20,000, 30,000 people in this place and this big auditorium. And I'm going, what the hell am I doing here, man? I decided I'm gonna go all out, take this serious. Well, I ended up getting fourth place out of like 15,000, 20,000 people in my whole. It was called fourth runner-ups.

Dr Pompa 5:58

What do you think was it that caused you to take fourth place? Because there was all these personalities and uh good-looking people, I'm sure. What what what was it? What made you stand out in your mind now?

SPEAKER_00 6:09

In my mind back then, it's because I just thought I was so great and so so good looking. Now I think it was I think I was a little like charismatic and kind of things that have carried me with my show. And I to decipher, you know, when you got a lot of people that are good looking, how do you decipher and distinguish? I think a lot of it's your character and how you present yourself. And you know, I the reason I didn't get hire, I was told, is because I was too old, because I was 24 and they were looking for people younger. I got a contract to go to Milan, which is like going from high school to the NBA. Well, I get out there and you're like around 250 of the best male models in the world. And I think I'm hot shit going out there and you know, and just thought I was so great. And you quickly realize when you're out there that A, you're not, and B, you know, this lifestyle is not what you think.

Dr Pompa 6:59

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

So here's my schedule. Attempt to get up early because you've been partying the whole night before, but do your best. Get ready, get on the subway or the bus to get to your agency, get your call sheet, get around to maybe three or four auditions throughout an entire day, go back home, go to the gym, and then go party. And then the weekends, it's just minus the getting up and going to the agency, you know, so you got to sleep all day so you can party again. You don't pay for drinks when you're a model there. They know the models you don't pay, they want you in there.

Dr Pompa 7:31

I'll tell you what, the the addiction, you know, is all over that, right? I uh I uh just recently interviewed Elle McPherson, who, you know, at least people my age, yeah, she was like Elle McPherson. Um and I tell my kids, El McPherson, who? You know, anyway, but she was an amazing interviewer. Her book is fabulous, by the way. You have to read it. But part of what we talked about is her addiction. Um, got into alcohol, you know, all of it. And, you know, it was the scene that you just described. Yeah. And she was in New York, and I mean, it was heyday fun. She talked about the palladium. That was like these were clubs that I knew back in the day. So that was a fun conversation. But, anyways, yeah, to your point, that lifestyle leads to nothing but bad.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

And you know what, man? Like, you do get addicted sometimes to the alcohol and the drugs, but you get addicted to the the life. Yeah, you get addicted to the attention, who you feel like everybody around you is making you to be. Right? I was more addicted to that than the drugs or the alcohol or any of that. Yeah, there's you know, I never had a drug problem. I had a money problem and an addiction to like what people thought about me was my real problem.

Eating Disorder Roots And Bulimia

Dr Pompa 8:38

Okay, so that I mean, I it sounds like we almost want to go into this now because that led you most likely, I don't want to put words in your mouth, your eating disorder, body morphism because of the pressure. I mean, is that how you ended up there?

SPEAKER_00 8:51

No. No, it started way young, and that that's why I got into studying nutrition. So when I was really young, I I wasn't like I we say obese, like people say we lost a bunch of weight. I was overweight.

Dr Pompa 9:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

You know, I was always around like the most popular kids, but you know, you know, in the back of your head, if somebody wants ammo on you or whatever, they immediately they're gonna be like, oh, you're fat. You know, and it was like I'm friends with all of the like good-looking or popular girls, but could never date any of them. Because I, you know, and it got to me to the point where I'm playing all these sports, I'm overweight. So God bless my mom. I'm an only child, but she'd give me anything I wanted, Italian mom. So I ate crap all.

Dr Pompa 9:32

Italian family, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

You know, and so it got to the point where from seventh to eighth grade, I played tackle football and hit this growth spurt like 5'8 to almost 6'1. So I lost like 25, 30 pounds. And then I went back to school the next year, and it was like the whole world opened up for me. Dang. Yeah, yeah. So beyond it making me better at sports, it got me way more attention, like with girls and everything I wanted, you know. And anyway, I got I eventually people were saying, Oh, he's doing this, he's doing drugs, he's has he's anorexic. I don't even know what half this crap means. Yeah. Well, it got back to my mom and dad, so then they start quizzing me. And I'm sitting there going, I don't know what the hell, what just happened here. I don't even know what anorexia is. I don't know what some of these drugs are you're talking about. And it got to my head because of that. Then I started to get terrified. Well, what happens if I gain the weight back? Well, here's what I can do to keep it off. But that's when I got the eating disorder. Because then I started looking at myself in the mirror and I'd gain a pound. I didn't even look at that stuff, I didn't even care. All of this noise led me to develop this fear. I don't ever want to feel that again.

Dr Pompa 10:46

I get that.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

You know, don't want to go back to this again. Yeah, that's when the the bulimia started. Like, well, I'm gonna just throw this up if if if it's if I feel like it's bad.

Dr Pompa 10:57

You know what that all that is is identity issues, meaning that you had a false identity. We all have false identities because of things that people say about us. Yeah. A lot of people who care, some some of these brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, right? And let coaches, etc., or the random people, you know, if you start to get called fat, you that identity takes you on and then it affects you.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

It does.

Dr Pompa 11:19

And to the fear of going back there is scary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Yeah. You just don't want to feel it again because it's so painful, man. Like, so that's when I started to read new food nutrition labels, though, at the same time. Now, granted and how old were we at that point? 11.

Dr Pompa 11:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

But you know, the the reading and interpretation of the labels was totally misguided because it was low fat craze time.

Dr Pompa 11:40

I was just gonna say that. I I was doing the math in my head. Yeah, it was low-fat diets for all the rage, right? It's yeah, like labels, low fat, low fat, you still see that honestly, but you know, it was the gluten-free of the day, dude.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

So that so this this I feel like I'm such a mess because that developed the fear of fat that I dealt with until a year and a half ago that I finally beat that. Yeah, it took me 30 years.

Dr Pompa 12:08

I I bet you so many w viewers, especially my age, uh 40s to 60s, you know where we're right there, right? Um still fear fat because of that day. Yes, right. Like fat makes you fat, right? I I can't tell you how many things I've done. Fat doesn't make you fat. It's the inability to burn it. It's not as simple as you think, right? Anyway, yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

I'm gonna blow your mind in a little bit when I tell you. But so we we I was at that level at that stage where my parents, and especially my dad, because my dad was a hardcore sports guy, and he was just it he wasn't sitting well.

Dr Pompa 12:41

Hence the four sports.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yeah, it was not sitting well with him. Um, that I was doing this and they didn't know how to handle it. He basically said, Look so hold on, back up.

Dr Pompa 12:50

So bulimia.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 12:52

Okay. How did usually people hide that very well?

SPEAKER_00 12:55

He was trying.

Dr Pompa 12:56

Okay, but your father knew.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

They both, my mom and dad knew.

Dr Pompa 12:59

Okay, all right. And how did they know, do you think?

SPEAKER_00 13:01

I don't I didn't hide it well, probably. You know, there were not cleaning it up well, disappearing after every time I aged.

Dr Pompa 13:09

Okay, you know, so they were privy enough to and other parents had mentioned it when I was at their house.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

And so he said, Listen, you're either gonna weigh 150 pounds, and I had dropped to like 130 something at 6'1, is very, very small. That's right. Yeah, you're either gonna weigh 150 pounds by the time basketball starts or you're not playing. And he was dead serious, and I was like, Okay, there's nothing more important to me than playing basketball. So that helped me get past it at that point. And it's you know, at that point in time, it was like I I really had kind of overcome it, but I was still looking at myself like you know, disparagingly for a little bit. But I went a good four or five years without it really overtaking me. And then when I got into the modeling and stuff, here it came, here it came back again. But um, it was a non-stop thing then from there on out. And it wasn't even really the bulimia, it was more like I'm not gonna eat as much. It it transitioned. That's still been a part of it. And that's once I started to get in trouble and knew I was going to prison, that's when it kind of was like, I don't care. I'm just gonna go back to it.

Dr Pompa 14:17

That'll bait people in right there. Yeah. Prison? What does he mean? Um, but I don't let's not leave the conversation yet, because um what do you think the main causative factors of bulimia? How does somebody I mean your story's your story, but what do you think it is for most people? Is there is there a common thread, is what I'm asking.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Well, for what I would say, the difference between the anorexia and the bulimia is you're starving yourself as opposed to eating a lot and making yourself throw up. I think that people that A are addicted to food, uh, whether it be chocolates, candies, ice cream, whatever, it's an easy way to get it out. You know, you can do it and get rid of it. Or the people that can't, they just can't starve themselves. They just can't do that route because it's too difficult. Well, I'll just I'll throw up some of it.

Dr Pompa 15:03

I know So that's the you're saying that's the difference between probably the same route. Yeah, but you know, that little nuance determines the bulimic versus the NRS.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

I think so. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean, it's I can't, I don't want to speak for others, but I can speak from people that I've I've talked to.

Dr Pompa 15:19

Yeah, and you're more aware of this than I am. So, you know, you're more the expert here. But uh, I would think that that would be the case. Yeah. So when we talk about the root of these, what what do you think some of the common roots are?

SPEAKER_00 15:31

To developing those? Yeah, yeah. I think that you well, one is misguided information about the food you're eating, i.e. the low fat diet. I mean, that alone put the fear into me. Anytime I had anything that I saw was more than three or four grams of fat, I was like, man, I just ate that. I gotta get that out.

Dr Pompa 15:48

And people do the same thing with calories, too. Yeah. It's like, oh my gosh, I'm, you know, calorie, calorie, calorie. You know, that's why I I believe that calorie counting, fat counting, all that can lead to an addiction that be can be ending up in a uh bulimia or anorexia.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

If you become too obsessive with the numbers, see, for me, the numbers now are man, I'm not hitting these. I need to hit them so I can be keep my weight and be healthy.

Dr Pompa 16:11

Is there a certain personality predisposed to that? Type A, da da da, you know?

SPEAKER_00 16:15

I think type A is very, very much um, it's predisposed to a lot of things, really.

Dr Pompa 16:20

Do you do you think it's there's any wounds early on in childhood that predispose people?

SPEAKER_00 16:25

I think so.

Dr Pompa 16:25

You know, meaning they end up with a body morphism or you know, and then that brings that attention. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Happened to me. Yeah. You know, I think it could happen to a lot of people. I one of the things that I've been learning because I've been studying the neuroside, because I was just a fitness and then a cardiology guy and a cellular guy, but I wasn't taking the account of the neuroside and the importance of that. Like I'm I'm in school for neuroscience now. And because I'm connecting the mind and the body together, and I'm realizing that there's so many aspects of our health that really are here and they're not even here.

Dr Pompa 16:57

Yeah, that's why I'm I'm digging, right? Because I I think there's a lot of entry points, meaning causes, right? And, you know, I mean, I wonder if um, you know, any childhood trauma can, you know, end up there because of control. Yes. You know, I I think of like the bizarress of something like SM or, you know, this like like how would someone get they they say, I know nothing about this, they say it's a control thing that they feel like they got abused and then they can control this. Right. So I wonder if there's something, uh any type of trauma that can happen as a child, and then hey, I'm I can control this aspect of my life because I feel like there's out of control.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Yeah, you know, you know, a lot of that came to me, and I was told you you you need to be in control, you need to be in control. And then I was made to feel that way. But for me personally, that wasn't ever that was not it. I mean, I'll admit all day what I was doing and what caused it. It wasn't a control thing, it was a fear, it was a damn fear. Yeah, yeah.

Dr Pompa 17:54

So I I think it could be both. Yeah, yeah. It can.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Yeah, I think that people will they, you know how it is. If they if it's for one person, they try to antiquate that to every single person. Mine, I was convinced it was a control thing till I finally came to the realization you're just scared.

Dr Pompa 18:10

You're just scared. And I get that because I I have a great fear of going back to my illness, right? To the point where I have an abnormal fear of water, mold, you know, I mean toxins in general, right? Yeah, it you know, it drives me um to be better, it it keeps me very on board, but there was a time where it can be too much.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yes. And that fear can control you. That's where you lose control. So I can see where you might say you need to gain control back because you've lost it.

Dr Pompa 18:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

But I I know for me personally, I'm not a control guy. I I I mean, I like to be in, I like to do my own work and everything and be the one that's accountable, but I'm not a like, yeah, I gotta be in control. Yeah, fear. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 18:54

And then then that links to a false identity. Yes. Right? You know, meaning, you know, how you look now depends on whether you are worth something, right? It's like identity, our true identity, meaning who God created us to be. There's no, you know, you have worth because you know where you're, you know, who you are, right? Who God created you to be. When you believe or get put on false identities, you don't know your worth. You think your worth is in this or the sport or and so that leads to a lot of these fears.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

You just made me realize something at this moment, right now, that I didn't put together till we started talking. And this is why this is why God works this way, so you can come to the realization. You know what? My hunger that got me in so much trouble for wanting to be the hot shot at everything I did to spend all this money and blow all this money and do everything was because of that. Yeah, it's because I I felt like I didn't have it. And that's why I became that person that got in trouble and went to prison. I never put that together till right now.

Dr Pompa 20:02

Yeah, that's awesome, man. No, but you know, I I can tell you that every I have a thing, right? It's like when you look at someone's level of success, not just financially and 12 pillars of success and what everything health, blah blah blah, and happiness. It is proportional to how they're literally walking, how close they're walking to their true identity. And I I always say that, man, I I'm every year I get closer, right? Because I'm intentional about that. Meaning every year I get closer to walking to, you know, really functioning and who God created me to be. But that is a level up, I don't know that anyone's a hundred percent there, right? You know, we're all still I had dyslexia as a kid and um I was labeled stupid. Probably mostly for myself. Because when you compare yourself to other kids and you can't read and you're in seventh grade, yeah, you're stupid. Right. You know, in my mind. I at that age I didn't know that I had other superpowers because of the dyslexia. That I could read, you know, when I did learn to read, I could remember everything I read. So it's like that. I thought everyone could do that, right? But anyways, but it it led to I always say every bad behavior I had later came out of my insecurity from that false identity, the fear of being looking stupid, right? The fear. Yes, the fear of thinking I was stupid, the fear of going back, you know, that was even if I read something aloud today, I'll get a pit in my stomach. And it's because it anchors back to that fear. Yeah. Anyways, yeah. So we have to look at those false identities, and then we it really explains all the bad choices in our life.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Yeah. And that was probably why I've always been so worried about well, I gotta show this, I gotta have this, I gotta, I gotta do this so that it gets the attention.

Dr Pompa 21:44

That's why you became in the modeling industry. That's it. I mean, honestly, it's why you became in the fitness industry. That's why I mean, everything I you know, and again, pain to purpose, man. It's like it gave you purpose. Yeah. So it's it wasn't in a bad thing. It's like it it. Ultimately leads you to purpose, especially when you pull God into the mist.

Drugs, Debt, And Prison Reality

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Well, I had to, and this is why I talk about the prison. I don't encourage people to go to prison to learn and to become but how did you get exactly but it can have that positive effect. Yeah. How did you end up there? Tell the story. So when I was modeling, like I said, I realized, okay, this is not the life. Unless you have, unless you're like in the top one, two percent, you're not gonna make the proper money to live the lifestyle. So I quickly realized that was not me. And I was spending three and four times what I was making, charging stuff and you know, doing whatever I could to get the money. Well, then I was like, okay, we got to figure something out here. I got I came back and I started acting, and I was getting, man, I was getting days of our lives auditions, daytime soap opera auditions, and I was like, okay, we gotta, we gotta roll here. So I, you know, I was doing cocaine and stuff on the side, nothing crazy just at night. But then I was seeing, I'm very observant, right? And I've hustled my whole life, and I said, okay, I can make a ton of money real fast, and not only can I pay off everything I put myself in debt in, but I'm gonna be able to roll. And I rolled for several years, and I mean, I was making millions of dollars a year and it just was gone. I was, you know, I was hot shot into everything, buying everybody's drinks, buying cars, and still living in an apartment. Yeah, you know, with nothing, just wasting it all. Anyway, there's no longevity in that career. Clearly, I ended up getting caught. I got a 15-year prison sentence when I was 27.

Dr Pompa 23:30

For the cocaine.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

For the cocaine.

Dr Pompa 23:32

Okay, God.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Yes. Now, by the time you selling it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah.

Dr Pompa 23:37

Yeah, I was gonna say 15 years for you. So, okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

No, 15 years is a large amount. Yeah, yeah. I uh that story's that was documentary story stuff because that is like out of a movie, the depths of what I got into. I don't want to get into all that today, but it's scary.

Dr Pompa 23:51

But the cocaine was almost necessary for the life you were living. Yeah. Meaning, there's no way you'd have energy to do this, to do that, still party, get up the next day, do the, you know, I mean, it's like that's why people get addicted to it.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

Well, it allows them the life that they're living. And I clearly lost some of the eating disorder at that point because I never gained a pound because I didn't eat for two and three days at a time. So I could get away with eating whatever I wanted one day to catch up, but never, never even touch me. Not a healthy way to lose weight. Yeah. Um, but so my parents drained every credit card they had to pay for the best attorney. And you know, you don't understand at the time financially what you're doing. And I do now because I've my master's degree in finance. Um, so that's funny.

Dr Pompa 24:37

That's just kind of funny, right? Yeah, you're a disaster financially. Master's degree in finance.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Yeah, exactly. It's just it uh it all correlates. So I got a sweetheart deal, which they give you a suspended sentence because I had no prior record. So what it means is I was convicted of a 15-year sentence, suspended, and they can give you that sentence back if you violate your probation. Two years probation. I violated the probation in the first month.

Dr Pompa 25:04

Oh, God.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

I left the state without permission. They they said, okay, we're gonna give you another break. Here's two weeks in jail. So 15 days I was in jail. You'd think that would have scared me and woke me up. Well, I did very well for about a year. I left literally one day to go to freaking Dairy Queen. Came back home, was this close to home. I saw a cop tailing me the whole way home. Pulled me over right at front of my house. I wasn't doing anything. He said But you weren't supposed to leave. Well, no, I could leave, but the problem was I had a little switchblade knife that I carried in my that I bought at a like a swap meet. It wouldn't harm a fly. It was so dull. So why was he following you? He ran my plates and saw, you know, what I had a very tinted out, very, very, very, you know, expensive car that I kept. Yeah, um didn't look good in Des Moines, Iowa. Um, and and so he ran my plates, probably saw my record. Cause that too. Cause that too. Literally went to go get a uh a small ice cream cone because I was smoking pot and I was hungry and left. Okay. Followed me home, said, I'm gonna search your car. I said, for what? And I said no, and he said, I'm searching your car anyway. You know, and and I can't record that at the time or whatever. And if you even get interaction with the police officer, you're in trouble. Well, then that knife was in there. It was a$25 switchblade. Oh, jeez. But I can't carry that. So took me to jail.

Dr Pompa 26:39

But how could they prove it? I mean, anyone could have left in your car. They'd I think they'd have to find it on your person, no?

SPEAKER_00 26:45

It was it's just in your possession and your car, it doesn't matter.

Dr Pompa 26:47

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Took me to jail. They then that then they kept me there, wouldn't let me out till I went to court, which was like 30 some days, and they worked out a deal. I was supposed to get time served, let me go. Well, the judge said no, didn't take the thing. He said, You don't get it. You're gonna stay in here. He was right. Yeah, I didn't get it. You're staying in here three more months, and you're gonna get two more years probation. And at that point, I was like, I don't care anymore. So when I got out, I got my ass on a plane, went to California, went uh up north, and I met with some people up there that ran weed farms, and I started to like go back to what I was doing before.

Dr Pompa 27:28

My gosh, this is after three months in jail. Yeah, yeah, and you just came back out. And six months later, I got I mean, by the way, this is I I'm like sitting here going, uh, but that's the norm. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Yeah. Six months later, I got in trouble with something petty again, pulled over interaction with a cop. That's it. They said, Okay, you're done. You don't get it. And I mind you, I'm chained up with chains here and here, chains on my legs walking in this courtroom, my mom and dad seeing me that way. Walking down a tunnel to get there and been given a 15-year prison sentence, 28 years old. And uh at that point, it was like, what next? I mean, I thought my life was over. Now in Iowa, time is Did you have any thought at that point it's me?

Dr Pompa 28:15

I I got to change.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

No, no, I'll I'll tell you when it hit me. I'll explain that to you. So in Iowa, the laws are different. Um, so your 15 years gets cut in half immediately because you get a day and a half for every day you're in there. Um, so it was seven and a half. Okay. Now I got I thought I was cursed with a mandatory minimum, meaning you have to serve this before you can see the parole board. That saved me. That got me out really early.

Dr Pompa 28:38

So, what was that number that you had to say?

SPEAKER_00 28:40

So it was supposed to be a third of your sentence, but that got cut in half. So after 18 months, I was able to see the parole board, and I'll explain how that saved me. So when I was in there, I got you go from jail, which is horrible because you never get to go outside, to this holding facility. Well, guess what? They tell you you're in 20 hours a day and you get one hour out, which was a complete lie. You got 30 minutes out. So I was in a cell with one other guy with nothing but a toilet and like, I don't even know, maybe 50 square feet on a mat this thick, and all you could do was lay on your back and stare at the ceiling all day and do nothing.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

The only books in there to read were from 1880 to 1905. So I read a book on Christopher Columbus that looked like my great-great-grandmother wrote it.

Dr Pompa 29:27

There's probably pages missing for toilet paper, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

Well, here, you could only shower three days a week, and it was five minutes, and they were yelling at you to get out and get back in your bunk. You ate at 6:30 in the morning, 10:30, and 3 o'clock, and that was it. And I'm you don't even want to know what I was given to eat.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

So from there I went to the second facility, and that was a little more open. You got to go outside once once a day for 30 minutes and walk in this little circle with all these chains around you.

Dr Pompa 29:55

But oddly, that was probably like, wow, this is a good thing. Oh, it's great. Yeah.

The Moment Responsibility Hit

SPEAKER_00 29:58

It's great. Yeah. Then I went to the regular prison. And the first day I get in there, and mind you, I haven't talked to my mom for three weeks because they won't let you talk. The first thing I see when I go outside is a guy with a big swastika tattooed on his chest. And I'm going, oh, what the hell? Like, what is going on here? Thankfully, I went out to the basketball court. All I had were steel toe boots, a pair of jeans, and a pair of shirt. That's all you get when you first get in there. And I walked out on the basketball court and played in that, and I ripped ripped it up, and that got me respect like this. So thankfully that happened. Well, within two weeks, I got sent to a minimum facility. And then the time really started. And 18 months later, because the counselor saw me every morning at four in the morning, I was outside, and they gave you a little area to go work out. 20 degrees below rain, thunder, lightning. I was outside. Never missed one day in 18 months. The counselor went to bat for me. My mom happened to know somebody that worked with the parole board. They ended up getting me out after my my 18 months. I had five years parole. My parents had moved to Maui. 4th of July 2011, I got out, went to Maui. And that's when I started my life over. And when I was in there, I had this call with my mom. And I was telling her, that's so bad. It's this, this, and I did that all the time. And she goes, Dylan, you do this every day. And she said, Do you ever think about the people that you are worried about you that invested all this time and all this effort and all this belief in you? Did you ever think about how that's affecting them? And I I get chills when I talk about this. I sat there and I started to cry, and I had to be careful because there's you know people walking around. I didn't want them to see me crying. And I didn't know what to say. And she said, Were me and your dad really that bad of parents? And I broke. I broke. Then it hit me right then at that moment. I remember where I was sitting, I remember the month, I remember the year. I'll never forget it. And that that moment, that time is when I said, Okay, something's gotta give. Something's gotta give. I was reading my Bible every day and I was praying every day, but still not where I needed to be. I was trying.

Dr Pompa 32:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

Um, but I realized now, you know, the effort was there, and I think that was the most important thing. I was raised.

Dr Pompa 32:14

God, God's word, man. So you start reading it, it's gonna affect anyone.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Absolutely. I was raised Catholic, went through everything.

Dr Pompa 32:20

I was raised Catholic and ended up an agnostic. Really? Yeah, it's true. Because it was, I thought it was do's and don'ts, and I'm not gonna do that. And I got into an argument with someone about Christianity, religion, all of it. And he finally said, You never even read it. So you really are making you don't even know what you're talking about. And so I decided to read, start reading it. And I asked someone where to start. They said the book of John and go through. And I didn't even get, I was probably, you know, half hour into this, and I was like, no one ever told me this. It has nothing to do with about being good enough, it has everything to do with just that we can't, yeah, and it's the blood of Christ. I was floored. That led to my salvation anyway.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

No, we're gonna get into that because that's a great conversation. So when I got out, I went on this approach of okay, what am I gonna do now? And how am I gonna fit? Because in in there, I I didn't have a set plan. I just knew you're gonna have to depend on yourself. Now you have two felonies, no one's gonna give you the time of day. So it's really up to you. Are you gonna come back here like everybody else? Are you gonna get some crap job that you weren't meant to do and not serve your purpose, or are you gonna just figure this out? So eventually I got a job, which was very difficult, but you have to. And at night, every night, I I started to study like exercise science, physiology, the body, um, everything to do with health and fitness. I was getting these emails about testosterone boosters and all this stuff. And I got so fascinated because I studied steroids a little bit because of baseball, because I was so fascinated. So in my 20s, Pete Rose? Yes. Well, I started to look into it, but never really, you know, I was too busy doing what I was doing. Well, now I got into it and I got into these bodybuilding forums and I was learning. That's where I discovered you started taking steroids? Not that, not yet. I was learning about them. And so I was in these forums and I got see again, point of the body morphism. Yes, right? It never ends. Yeah, it never ends. Never ends.

Dr Pompa 34:17

Next thing, next thing.

Building A Platform On SARMs

SPEAKER_00 34:18

This these guys found me that ran a big supplement company and they were seeing like how much I was posting, helping people doing all this at night. They said, Look, do you have any kind of personality or whatever on camera? That's what I do. Well, when I was partying and everything at night, when I'd when I'd get home late and I was using drugs, I would film this stuff for YouTube that was like new because I was obsessed with the sports debate show. So I was making my own stuff and putting it up there. Nobody saw it really. I said, I got some stuff and I sent it to them. They were like, Okay, you got the personality. Here's what we're gonna do. We want you to get online, start talking about steroids, and we're gonna introduce you to this underground stuff. It was called peptides and SARMs. And I said, Hey man.

Dr Pompa 35:00

Wait, what year was this? 2012. Yeah, yeah, it's way, way.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

Yeah, I said, I don't know anything about peptides and SARMs, and I'm still in the beginning phases of my real steroid knowledge. I said, I'm kind of BSing my way through a lot of the stuff you see. We don't care. We're gonna make you huge. We're gonna make you huge. And I said, Okay, let me make sure this is legal for me to talk about. I just got out of trouble.

Dr Pompa 35:21

So I can you can smart. Yeah, one step smarter. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

You can talk about it. I'm not selling it. You can talk about it. There were very, very, very, very few people on YouTube talking about any of this.

Dr Pompa 35:32

Oh, yeah. Back then, oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

I had two million subscribers in two years on YouTube.

Dr Pompa 35:37

Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, talking about it, people because people are always looking for an edge. And oh, yeah, if this is healthier than steroids, easier to get, people are gonna flow to it.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Here's what happens a very, very like the worst, most toxic environment is the bodybuilding and supplement like industry.

Dr Pompa 35:55

Dude, it's so toxic. It it's all very wounded people.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

It's bad.

Dr Pompa 35:59

You know, it really is. And again, body morphism, like at its max.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Yeah. It's so bad. Well, then I became known as the SARMS guy because what I found was we better stop and explain what SARMs are.

Dr Pompa 36:14

I would say most people understand peptides, but we'll still give that a little bit of definition. But but explain what a SARM is, because most people don't know that. Yes. Because I mean, I there's a few SARMs that I think are actually healthy. There's some that are really bad because they hit your hormones hardly. They're bad. Yeah, there's good and bad, but what is a SARM?

SPEAKER_00 36:30

So selective androgen receptor modulator is what it stands for. Yeah. In simple terms, in the bodybuilding world, it's an alternative to steroids. Yeah. Because it's steroid-like benefits without the side effects. Right. So here's where the here's where the good and the bad comes in. The good, I well, I don't even want to say the good, the good for me at the time. I finally tried ProHormones first, which is basically a designer steroid. All that was was a legal way to buy steroids and a few modifications that were actually worse for you than steroids. Yeah. Um, and then they banned pro hormones, like the government always bans everything, right? Um, so the SARMs come into play. I use them and I'm like, whoa. Okay, I just got all of these results.

Dr Pompa 37:16

You're probably using LDG.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

I was using M. There were only three at the time you could get. Okay. MK2866, which is known as Austerin. Yeah, S4 Andorin, and MK677. We're the only three at the time that you're seven seven is the healthier one. Well, it's not even a SARM. Yeah, it's a solar SARM. Basically, it's the next closest thing to HGH you can run. It's a secretagog. And it's really a peptide kind of thing more than a SARM.

Dr Pompa 37:44

Yeah, yeah. The other MK is a little, it works, it's more works as a it's a straight SARM.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

The thing was, is the 677 was like four, 350, 400 bucks a bottle. Nobody used it, and nobody knew how to use it. Yeah. So really it was those two. So I ran those and I was like, okay, I was so shredded, yeah, yeah. Like diced. Yeah. And uh I remember laying there, and my my wife, who was was my girlfriend at the time, took this picture of me laying on the bed, and I looked at the picture in my stomach. I had never seen anything like that, right? And so I was like, I'm on to something, you know. So I became known as the SARMS guy because I started talking and discussing and learning, and everything that you could read, I read. Well, there's a twofold problem there. One, everybody thought I was trying to sell them all the time. So I was getting hate that way, too. The steroid guys hated it because I was going against the grain on everything, and who knows how much money I was costing them for whatever illegal stuff they were selling. And I was cutting into supplement companies for people going towards the SARMS route. So that got me a ton of hate. Anyway, they banned the pro hormones. So then what happened? Well, two things. This is where SARMs got the bad name. One, people had millions of dollars of pro hormone powders they couldn't sell anymore. So, what did they do? They had to sell those powders. Well, there were two things that happened. One, companies started to make SARMs and sell them as supplements, which you could not do.

Dr Pompa 39:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Two, they were selling what you they said were SARMS and filling them with their pro-hormone powders. And so when people were getting hurt really badly and all of these terrible blood panels started coming out, it made me look dumb because I'm sitting here going, well, they're not as liver toxic, they're not this, they're not that. They were filling them with pro-hormone powders. So you were taking steroids thinking you were taking SARMs.

Dr Pompa 39:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

So that was the two-prong appearance.

Dr Pompa 39:35

I mean, again, SARMs, there's some bad ones, but it is definitely a different category than the pro-hormone. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

Well, and now, so they evolved. Now the SARMs, the new ones, they're basically steroids. They're so strong.

Dr Pompa 39:49

Yeah, like you said, that LDG LGD. Yeah, my son got on it, and I was like, oh no. I'm like, I'm looking at like I'm like, Dad, it's not a steroid. I start, that's what brought me into SARMS. I started reading about it, and I'm like, oh no. Yeah, yeah, this is gonna end bad. And of course, he came off at like a steroid, your body, you know, you just dump and like you lose everything.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 40:12

He learned very quickly. It was like, okay, that wasn't worth it because I lost everything. Uh, you know, he was teen late teens. Oh, shees. Yeah, late teens, maybe 20.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Well, because then so I'll explain real quickly what happens. That causes testosterone suppression. That's what happened. The LGD. I don't know if he ran 30 third or 3303 or 4033, but 3303 especially is like just as, if not stronger, than a lot of harsh steroids.

Dr Pompa 40:40

Yeah, I think it was the other the uh other one.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Okay, so what happens for people watching, if you don't know, is your your luteinizing hormone and your follicle stimulating hormone crash.

Dr Pompa 40:51

Produces here.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

Yes.

Dr Pompa 40:52

And that kind of controls the downstream let go you know, let out of testosterone.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Well, when you start flooding your body like that and suppress your testosterone, your body forgets how to produce it. And then you have to try to kickstart it back to produce it, which is why people use Clomid or Novidex. Yeah. People think HCG does that. HCG is suppressive, and a lot of people don't know that, and it increases estrogen and it's made from women's urine.

Dr Pompa 41:16

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it they bodybuilders used it between cycles to try to keep their testosterone levels up. Yeah. HCG diets were huge in the 80s and 90s, you remember? Yeah. I mean, because it allowed people to calorie cut and still not lose muscle. And then so therefore, because you can't just cut calories. You lose weight in the beginning and then you stop and then you get skinny fat the whole thing. Well, HTG, man, it was the answer. I call Ozempic today HCG of the uh of the 80s and 90s.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

It's a good comparison.

Dr Pompa 41:46

Because I said this is gonna end bad. I'm like, there's no way this can end well. Oh no, no, everyone justified lower dose, the same thing we're seeing with Ozempic, lower dose, it it ended in a terror, it ended in a tragedy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

It's one of those things that another thing that made a lot of people angry with me was me going against the grain, talking about how bad HCG was.

Dr Pompa 42:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:07

But I I am that's why I am what I am today, which is similar to like you and our uh most of our acquaintances discuss the realities of things and and really explaining what things actually are.

Dr Pompa 42:20

I think that's why you know you have such a following because you're very open about what you've been through. But what you've been through allows you to be an expert in these areas. You know, I mean, truly. You know, like I don't know, you know, I I know the surface area of SARMs. You know, today, you know, SR and GW, you know, those are the SARMs that I've used. Yeah. They're not even SARMs. They're not even SARMs, exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

They're but they're more in line for what we would want because we're talking about increasing VO2 max metabolics.

Dr Pompa 42:48

They're actually arguably healthy. I I mean they don't damage anyone, you know.

SPEAKER_00 42:51

Yeah, you know, but again Your body can become acclimated to them and they might not be as ay don't work anymore.

Dr Pompa 42:57

Yeah, you have to kind of move on, but they're they don't cause any, they don't touch your hormones. No, no hormonal, no, you know, and you know, and again, I yeah, it's it's fun to to try it, but there's people put them in the same category, and it then they end up reaching for these other SARMs. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

And that's where the that's where things and that's where marketing comes into play because they're sold and marketed as SARMs when in reality they're not.

Dr Pompa 43:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

But in fairness, there are some things. SR can affect your circadian rhythm, it can throw it off. It certainly can. But um, what what I learned over this time period was this is so toxic. There's so much hate. No matter what you do or you teach these people. Like, I'm I'm I once again something I'm not. Right. But I found a niche and I got popular and I got big. And I was listen, I was convincing myself. Really, this is like the next addiction. Yeah. Well, listen to what I did. I convinced myself that I was doing something really good because what I was doing was I would teach people how to use steroids safely. Safely, safely. They're still damaging. They're still hurting people. I told myself, well, you're helping people, you know, live, still live longer when they use these and do this when in reality I should have just been saying, don't use them at all. Yeah. Ever. And I damaged myself in the process.

Dr Pompa 44:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:17

I didn't use them long, but I used them long enough to probably where I developed some of the heart condition I found in myself. And also putting myself on TRT needlessly. Yeah. You know, and what I'm not a bot, I'm living another life once again that I'm not.

Dr Pompa 44:33

And again, the false identity. Yes. Yeah, you were still living trying to figure out who God created you to be. See, again, that's why false identities lead to these problems because you're trying to be something that God didn't create you to be. It's never, you're never going to be happy, fulfilled, or really functioning your true purpose.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

That's right. And still, still not anywhere near what I'm supposed to be. So my YouTube channel gets shut down because all these people are attacking me and trying to get it shut down.

Dr Pompa 45:00

So I had to start from scratch again.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Oh man, two million plus followers, all the and you know, anybody that runs YouTube, A, you know how hard it is to get like 10,000 subscribers.

Dr Pompa 45:10

On YouTube is harder than other channels.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Anything. And then I said, okay, I'm gonna regroup and I'm gonna restart this. It's like 2017, three years to 2020. Re started to rebuild it, got to about 100,000 again. And what do you think happened again? I got shut down. For what this time? I wasn't talking anything COVID related. They were just doing sweeps of people that were pushing the envelope on other stuff.

Dr Pompa 45:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Shut down again. So I once again, and dude, you know how much money you could make with a lot of subscribers. I was making damn near six figures a month. I was crippled at that point. I was like, man, I don't know what to do anymore because I can't keep doing this. This is too risky. I have a family, and I'm not really doing my purpose here.

Dr Pompa 45:53

Oh, she got married somewhere along the road.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

Yeah, in 2015. I so when I met my wife, so when I got out of prison, I didn't date anybody or anything the whole year I was on parole. They cut me off four years early because I just didn't do anything. I worked and I went to the beach on my days off, and then I studied. That's all I did, man. And so my wife was a manager at Safeway, and I went in there every day to try to get something healthy to eat for lunch when I was at work. Well, then, while I saw her staring at me all the time and you know, everything. Well, when I got off parole, I went to the florist and I said, Hey, I want you to leave some flowers for that girl over there and send her this note. And that's how I met her. And um, from there, I mean, she was with me, brother. From I had nothing, I was living in my mom's basement. So she's been with me the whole time dedicated. And she was the polar opposite of me. Never did anything wrong, never smoked, never drank, never done a thing.

Dr Pompa 46:45

You needed that balance. I had to.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

That was God's gift to me because I also opened her up and gave her things in her life she never had. She was from the Philippines. You know, the story she'll tell me about like having to use the bathroom outside, having nothing. But she balanced me and fixed me and corrected me. That's awesome. And she did. And so we got married in 2015. Now I've got her kids, or my kids, basically. They call me dad. I love them. I take care of them. I got a family, man. And then my dad passed away in the midst of all this, and I'm an only child. So I bring my mom and start taking care of her. I got a lot of responsibility, a lot of people relying on me, and I owe my mom. I you do. I owe my owe your mom. Yeah. And I owe my dad. Yeah, of course. You know, to take care of her. Yeah, they dump money on you, man.

Dr Pompa 47:33

Well, you were a bad bet back then.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

I was the worst bet known to man, but they never gave up.

Dr Pompa 47:39

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

So I started to build my Instagram in 2020. Said, okay, I'm going different route here. I I'll make some YouTube videos. Let's do this route. Let's go this route. So I built my Instagram heavy. I mean, I got millions of followers now. I got invited to speak at the Mr. Olympia 50th anniversary. It was 50th or 60th.

Dr Pompa 47:56

Was that 2004?

SPEAKER_00 47:57

No, just now. It was two years ago. Uh no, 20, what are we? We're in 25. 2024.

Dr Pompa 48:03

Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. 2024. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

So that's when I got to speak there. Okay. So I go there. Initially, I'm invited to speak, which already is huge for me because it's all people with 50 letters after their name and me.

Dr Pompa 48:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Right. So that alone, I was like, oh my God.

Dr Pompa 48:18

But you were invited into the heart of dysmorphia.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 48:23

Talk about the heart of insecurity.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

But they want me to go there to speak about all the stuff I'm talking about now, nutrition, hormones, everything. And I'm like, oh my gosh. SARMS? Did they want you to talk about it? No, no SARMS. I'm trying to get away from that. But peptides. And uh I was on anti-aging panels and all these reputable doctors and you know, really big names. And then they said, Well, we got another opportunity for you. Do you know who Monica Brand is? She's a former Miss Olympia. I said, Not really, but they wanted to enter me. So then I got invited to sit there and be her co-host on her podcast at a booth. Well, one, I tore the house down when I spoke and the doc, like the interactions, and I put the clips up, and man, it was just, it was insanely beautiful. Well, then on her podcast, she was being sponsored by a company called STEM Regen. And they came and watched me STEM Regen.

Dr Pompa 49:18

There's a STEM Regen. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

So Christian, the owner. Yeah, Christian.

Dr Pompa 49:26

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. I'm gonna have to have him on.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Yeah. So he was there. Ryan, Riley was there, his like CEO. They were watching me speak and check me out. And I got really close with them. Well, I I realized they're in this thing called biohacking. What the hell is this? Well, when I got home, I was all pumped. I got all these contacts. I got, dude, I got stacks of cards and contacts to start working on. Dude, I got COVID right when I got home.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:53

It was probably from the event or the plane. I got, I went to the gym and I told my wife, I said, I'm something's off. I went and got a COVID test. Boom. Next day I couldn't even move. And I'm sitting there going, okay, God, normally I pout and I don't understand what's going on here. Because this is right about the time I'm shifting to really being God first, too. And I'm I'm saying, okay, I'm gonna trust you for once in my life because I never do. I think I'm so faithful, but I know faith and trust are two different things.

Dr Pompa 50:22

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

You can believe all day long. Yep. But when it when the when the shit hits the fan, do you trust?

Dr Pompa 50:29

Yeah, trust is the real relationship.

SPEAKER_00 50:32

Yes, trust is faith. So for the first time, I'm gonna trust you. And I was laying in bed and I said, you know what? I got nothing else to do. I'm gonna start researching STEM regen and biohacking. And within like 20 minutes, I realized this is what I've been meant to do my whole life. Everything I stand for, everything I believe in, everything that I research that I love, it's right there.

Dr Pompa 50:56

So you went through, yeah, and now you're it put you into the healthy version of optimization.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

Yes.

Faith, True Identity, And Purpose

Dr Pompa 51:04

Hormone optimization, you know, physical optimization, aging optimization, you know, and that's how you ended up in this world. That is it. You did a great job of bringing us through that. But what I want to hear a little more about is your salvation, because you know, uh, you know, coming to Christ, you know, is that's a whole nother thing. I'm surprised it didn't happen in jail. Although I think you said it started. It's that's where it started, right? Because you did say that's where you started reading the word. But would you have called, did you, you know, would you have called yourself a believer at that moment? I mean, meaning, did you have a transformation in jail after jail? When did all that happen?

SPEAKER_00 51:40

I've been a believer my whole life, but have I been a God first individual where that was my main priority, where my life was turned over to him and given to him and trusted.

Dr Pompa 51:48

Yeah, it's interesting because I was I wasn't a believer. I was called myself an agnostic, right? And I always say though, looking back on my life, gosh, even when I hated him, he loved me. You know, it's like it's true. Yeah, it's like, and I and I use the word hate because there's a biblical reason I would say that. But anyway, the bottom line is that you, on the other hand, had would have said you had belief.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 52:15

You know, but you were living again, true salvation, Christianity isn't about do's and don'ts. However, when I became a Christian, and again, I would never become a Christian, even though my older sister would talk to me about that, and I would tell her, I'm not gonna stop the bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo. So therefore I'm not a hypocrite, I'm not gonna do it. And because in my mind it was about do's and don'ts, right? That's why when I read it and I said, no one told me this, my sister should have said, first of all, no, no, no, no, it's about the truth, right? You know, he died for our sins. But um, when I became a Christian, all of a sudden, the things that I said I would never give up, I didn't make one attempt of saying, okay, now I'm a Christian, I have to try to be different. It didn't happen like that for me. Yeah, he changed me. Yes, I'm telling you, I swear he changed my heart. The very my girlfriend and I, she's my wife now. She we were living together at the time, okay. And I we were having sex. I would have said sex was an addiction in my life, okay? And um, we were having sex and we're living together, and all of a sudden, I'm like, I can't do this anymore. I remember we she sat there, she cried because we knew it was a separation. She was already a believer like you, but you know, I was kind of going in this direction now, going like, what what are we doing? God changed my heart and changed my desires, right? And it's like in a couple areas that I realized at that moment, it's not about trying to be good enough. He changes our hearts. Yes. Anyway, so I say all that to say this. So you were saying you're a believer, but yet your life wasn't changing. No. So I would be like, okay, you had a knowledge, but maybe you weren't truly converted. Here's how bad it was.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

I would go, I I was I usually go to Mass on Saturdays because I have a hard time getting up on Sundays. So I would go at 4:30 Mass and I would always go up there and say my prayers after Mass for a long time. This is post-jail? This is before. Before jail. And I would sit there and do all like a long in-detailed prayer, but I didn't do it throughout the week like that. I would I would do it there and I would leave mass and I would go directly to the grocery store, get my bottle of vodka, go home, get my cocaine out to prep for the night and start ironing clothes and getting ready. Like that's how bad it was that I thought I was going there apologizing for sins and then literally leaving within 30 minutes and going home and doing all that. And my mom was just disgusted.

Dr Pompa 54:36

As a Catholic, you know, you could justify that a bit in the sense that, well, you know, I'm going to um do this or that to cover the sins.

SPEAKER_00 54:46

You treat you you can but potentially make yourself believe that, but it's you're just lying to yourself. Yeah, no, of course. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 54:52

But I mean, it was one of the things I hated.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

One of the misinterpretations and understandings that so many people have when it comes to anything religion religion. Yeah, I agree. I mean, so I was on vacation in Florida and I was sitting out, it was about 1:30 in the morning, because I always have to have nighttime alone. My wife always goes to bed without me because I normally read or study at night. And I was sitting out on this like patio I had, and I was sitting there, and I don't know what happened right then and there. Something hit me different, and I was kind of just gazing, and I was kind of I was listening to because I like Stone Temple Pilots, and I was listening to them outside, and I stopped, and I was looking at the sky, and some and I and I always pray a lot when I'm in the ocean, like when I go on vacation, I kind of tend to say more prayers and something hit me right then and there, and and I I can't even explain to you what it was. And I was looking and something lit up a little bit brighter in the sky than it normally did, and maybe I you know, who knows when you say that. But I uh I said, What is what is it? What is it? What am I missing? And from that moment, everything started to click. Everything in my life changed where I I started to get closer to God, I had a greater desire. I literally read the entire New Testament. I bought a study Bible and I read six months, I read the whole New Testament. After that, when I got home, I inundated myself.

Dr Pompa 56:11

In that moment that changed, did you invite God into your heart differently? Did you confess something to him? Did you do something?

SPEAKER_00 56:17

Like what I don't know that I confessed anything. Something just said everything that you've had that was missing is now right. Because, Dan, man, like I had a lot of money, a nice house, a beautiful wife, every car. I collected Jordans, I had hundreds of pairs of Jordans, everything. I have an arcade machine in my house, like all of this stuff. And every night I'd go to bed, I'd look at her and I'd look around me and I'd be like, why don't I feel good? Like, why do I feel like bad? Yeah. What how could I feel bad? I feel like I have everything I want, and I just kept buying things and spending money on things. And then it hit me right then and there. This is why you feel bad. And you know what? I don't feel bad anymore. Sometimes I'm tired and stressed, but I never go to bed like something's wrong or missing because it's not. Because everything that I needed was right in front of my face, waiting for me the whole time.

Dr Pompa 57:09

So you then at this point started then, you know, God was drawing you closer to him. Absolutely. And um was your was your mother a believer or father? Oh, my mom is hardcore. Yeah, okay, because it was her prayers, by the way. Yeah. Anyway, he's ever kids. Um, and okay, so you start walking with the Lord closer because now he puts a desire in your heart to dig into this. And and so what happened then?

SPEAKER_00 57:31

So that's when that's when things started to open up for me because then it starts things started to come to the realization this is kind of what you need to be doing. And things started falling into place for me. I I was never this guy that was like, I have to find my purpose. But once I started to understand what the Holy Spirit really was, what discernment actually meant, and I could like in my mind understand what I actually had inside of me because I didn't understand. I never took the time to understand when you hear something, when you think you hear a voice in your head telling you it's good or bad or right or wrong, it's the Holy Spirit trying to tell you, dude, listen, listen. And every time that I would try to convince myself that, oh, this is okay, knowing in my heart it wasn't something bad happened. Now every single, it's kind of like when I used to gamble and I'd be like, oh, that doesn't seem right, even though everybody's telling me to go that way, I'm gonna go the other way. It'd lose every time. So I listened and I listened and I listened. And now everything I do, everything that I that I do right now is Holy Spirit driven. I have turned down what people would call crazy amounts of money recently because something was telling me this is not, this is not good. He's given me everything I need. I know that I don't have to worry about it anymore. So now you're walking with him. Yes. Back then, you were walking very against him. Absolutely right. Yeah, absolutely right.

Dr Pompa 58:49

Yeah, I'm uh a prodigal son, if you will. I you know, meaning, you know, it's like uh this kid, you know, he had everything. He walked away, he was rebellious, and then he came back to the father.

Heart Markers And Plaque Reversal

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Well, and you know what? So I always say, Oh, well, if prison hadn't happened to me, then I wouldn't be here. And if this hadn't happened to me, it wouldn't be here. So in 2023, I did some work with a doctor and he said, Everybody that works with me, I have him go get a calcium score. He's like, You're in, I mean, I do 15 miles a day of cardio. I I'm in the gym another hour and a half, I eat this certain way, which I'm gonna talk to you about after this story. And I went to get a calcium score, and my dad had a heart attack at 59, and my calcium score was 120 because he told me it would probably be zero, and I panicked.

Dr Pompa 59:34

You mean it so what should it be?

SPEAKER_00 59:36

Zero. Yeah, at that age. It should be zero. Now, a calcium score won't show you soft plaque, so even if you have a zero score, potentially you could have soft plaque that it's not recognizing.

Dr Pompa 59:44

That's like calcium, they're not measuring your blood calcium, they're looking at calcium in the arterial, yes, calcified plaque.

SPEAKER_00 59:49

And so I panicked because I had a little bit of an understanding. Well, I come to find out I had an elevated LP little A, 300 and some. Um, you can't control that by diet and exercise. That's a genetic thing. So I dig and learn about that. Well, what happens is I study cardiology. Now I'm I'm digging and talking to everybody I can get my hands on, and I'm talking to everybody, Dr. Gundry, regular doctors you never heard of, anybody that I can get in front of that'll listen to me. And so I made that one of my big topics of discussion. And I figured out how to reverse plaque and do things. And then I ended up recently with the low ejection fraction. Well, I figured out how to fix this and do this, and understanding what's causing it was likely steroid use, combination of steroid use, cocaine, things like that.

Dr Pompa 1:00:36

So you did a lot, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:38

But understanding now that we can not only fix this, but teaching people how to do it. But I will argue the low-fat diet had something to do with all of this too. But I've been able to now, I've had several, like so many tests done. I got my my ejection fraction up 7% in four months. I've been able to reverse so much plaque. LP little lace dropped hundreds where they told me you can't drop it at all. My point in saying this is that these things happened to me, and I caught them early enough so I could help people and teach them about all the nonsensical information. And the purpose. That's right. But you understanding that those were actually gifts to me. Yeah. Because I needed those things to happen.

Dr Pompa 1:01:16

Every hard thing that happened to me, I needed to happen. Yes. God is that good.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

When you understand that it was a gift, not a curse, absolutely, everything adds up.

Dr Pompa 1:01:25

Our perception becomes our reality. If you're still living, it was a curse and too bad for me. You know, I everything, everyone else's fault, not your fault. Right. You started this whole show by saying, okay, first of all, I'm gonna take responsibility. Everything happened in my life, I caused. Yes. Yeah, okay, but you know, when there's people that are still blaming, listen, I only did because of my father. Yeah, I um one of my um past producers, uh, him and his uh sister, she had drug problems, different addictions, et cetera, et cetera, different problems. If you asked her, how did you end up here? She blamed the father. Him, he has all the success in his life. Incredible human that I know. Uh, you know, how so what was it, you know, what made you who you are, man? Because this I asked him the question. He's like, Oh, my father. Yeah, absolutely. And he's like, but my sister would tell you the opposite. And my point is, is that raised by the same father, same father, right? One blames him and one that gives him credit for success. Our perceptions are reality. He perceived his father. My father had some issues, dah dah, dah. However, he looked at the positive, she looked at the negative.

Low Fat Fear And Refeeding

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

Well, that goes back to when my mom said, We're me and your dad really that bad of parents. Yeah. And I broke, but I didn't tell you what I said. I said, absolutely not. I made all these decisions myself. You couldn't have done any more for me than you possibly did. I said, Don't you ever say that to me again. I and I don't I try to never talk back to my mom, but I told her then don't ever say that again or think that, you know. Well, I want to see your face when I tell you this, because I told this story to Ben, Azadi, Dave Osprey, and Dave's face was like, I mean, he was like mortified, but then told me how great of what I ended up doing. So I told you kind of my training, obviously eating disorder, heavy training, overtraining, fit 10 to 15 miles a day, five days a week. Then then in the gym, another, I don't know, hour, hour and a half of weightlifting. You would think and imagine that at that kind of output, you need a lot of intake to keep up. Yeah. I was eating for about after I got out of prison that this started. I was eating good days 1800 calories a day, bad days 1,400. I'm supposed to be eating 3,500 to 4,000 terrified of fat. Here's what I ate all day. My wife would cook every single day about 15 servings of vegetables, peppers, onions, mushrooms, zucchinis, stuff that would make me feel full throughout the day, and I'd snack on it all day long. So I was eating that much per day. Greek yogurt, low fat, no fat, non-fat, non-fat, um, protein powder, egg whites, no egg yolks ever. And if an egg yolk even dripped out of it, I'd panic and start scooping it out. Oh my god. No, it's just horrible. And oatmeal.

Dr Pompa 1:04:09

Did it ever cause you like God created an egg perfectly the way it is?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:13

Please.

Dr Pompa 1:04:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing makes sense. Don't make me depressed.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:16

Yeah. Um, and then peanut butter was the only source of fat or a quest bar, which had very, what, five, six grams of fat. So that is that is the basis of what I ate.

Dr Pompa 1:04:27

Starving your brain that needs that fat, your cell membranes, your hormones.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:32

It's how productive can you be, first of all, during the day?

Dr Pompa 1:04:35

Yeah. I mean, my gosh, amazing you'd end up back on Coke just to get through a day.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

30 every 30 minutes, I'm kind of getting up and walking around. It's hard for me to even make content after several years of doing this.

Dr Pompa 1:04:46

But again, it's it's the body morphism, once again, right? It's it's you know, the fear of you know really the fear is not looking the way you think you should look because that's who you are, and that's what gives you all the the you know attention. Yes, you know, I mean that's it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:02

So you can imagine the pain and suffering my wife's going through. We never eat out. We I don't I don't uh eat alone. I don't eat with her ever, ever.

Dr Pompa 1:05:11

Um I mean, how long did you do that 14 1800 calories on that? I mean, how long did that last before you almost 10, 12 years?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:21

What? Because when I first got out, like when we were in Maui, I was still eating chicken and like some fish and stuff and different things, tuna I was incorporating. Well, then I got to that point, and I swear to you, I started watching some people I highly respect, and I'm a nutritionist for 15 years, and I'm teaching people to eat fats and stuff and and coaching bodybuilders. No, because I was different. Because if I did it, it wasn't gonna work because I was different.

Dr Pompa 1:05:48

Yeah, you knew your body.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:49

Yeah, oh yeah, I know my body. So I watched several people that you and I respect, and and I'm I was listening to them and listening to how they were eating, and I I I finally, finally said, you know what? I because I'm one of those snap mics. If you knew me, I'll buy a car on the drop of a dime. I'll do this on the drop of a dime. I'll hop on a plane. I went into the kitchen one day and I said, babe, I said, okay, I need to talk to you. And so she knows when I say that, normally it's something with work or money or something we're going to go do. We're going to try something new today. And I wouldn't touch any of the foods I'm about to rattle off to you. I said, I'm going to make you list. You and I are going to go together because she always wants my time and it's hard for me, and I don't give her enough of that either. We're going to go together, which she already, I could see lit up. We're going to go to Whole Foods, and here's a list of stuff that I'm going to start eating. Because in my head, I said, you know what? I know how to lose weight. If I gain a bunch of weight, I'll lose it like this. I'll be fine. We're going to buy.

Dr Pompa 1:06:45

So you were still not, I mean, you were still convinced that these foods could cause you to gain weight. Oh, yeah. But what made you say you needed them?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

I couldn't take it anymore. I knew at that point, if I'm going to be productive with all these opportunities, something else has to change because I can't stay focused.

Dr Pompa 1:07:01

That's what I was going to say. You had to have some type of symptom that you thought, yeah. So you couldn't stay focused because the drain of the fat.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:07

And to be honest with you, I I it was just God putting this in front of my face saying you have to make a change. Because I just woke up one day and said, I'm because I had been watching stuff for months about, you know, do this, do this.

Dr Pompa 1:07:19

The reality of the uh, okay. I just woke up and said, I have to do what I'm telling other people to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

Yeah. We're gonna go get I'm gonna try grass-fed beef, we're gonna try salmon, which I hate. Iggs, full whole eggs, hopefully. Do I hate salmon or am I convinced I don't like it? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Avocados, am I convinced I don't like it? Didn't even taste it. No, you hate the fatty idea of it. Every single food that I eat to this day is like based around healthy fats.

Dr Pompa 1:07:45

Yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:46

You know how pissed off I am that I have not been cooking in grass-fed butter for what's your caloric intake today? Not today. You mean now? On my good days, about 3,000.

Dr Pompa 1:07:55

Okay, that's normal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

But I I went from about 25 grams of fat to 135.

Dr Pompa 1:08:00

Yeah, that exactly, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:02

Over 200 grams of protein. I'm not I'm not Mr. Keto or low carb. I probably need more carbs. I do about 110, 150.

Dr Pompa 1:08:10

Well, see, I'm a guy, I I teach diet variation, me, you know, move in and out. I you know, I go into keto periodically and I go into high carb healthy diet. Yeah, it's good. There's purpose in it. Yeah, I try to mimic ancestral living, honestly. It's like they were moved in and out of different uh because there's a benefit to eating, you know, very high fat, low carb, and there's a benefit to eating high carbs, healthy carbs, right? So I I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:33

Well, what the term metabolic flexibility, how do you obtain flexibility if you're not flexible?

Dr Pompa 1:08:38

Absolutely, yeah. And that's why diet variation, it also creates diversity in the microbiome. Yes. So there's a lot of reasons for that. I I don't want to hijack this story because there's so many learning here, right? So, all right. So now, how how long have you been on this so you know, really balanced eating?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:55

I had to ease into it. So I I I'm uh I was weighing everything out real particular. So I was doing like 80 grams of avocado. Of course you are. Oh, yeah. Of course you are. 80 grams of a bigger one.

Dr Pompa 1:09:03

I know who you are, but of course you were doing that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:06

I started off at 80 grams of avocado, okay, which is not a lot. It's a very small, medium one. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna eat bread again. So I have to have Ezekiel toast, just the Ezekiel toast. And then, okay, I'm gonna have six egg whites.

Dr Pompa 1:09:19

You're probably looking at yourself in the mirror. Am I gaining? Oh, I was.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:22

I was six egg whites, but I'm gonna have a couple whole eggs now, okay? Couple. Let's try some salmon. I'm I was always like I eased in with cod first, low fat fish. Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna try this salmon because I I really, I really didn't care for the taste that much, but maybe it was because I thought I didn't.

Dr Pompa 1:09:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:40

And I ate one and I was like, oh she's like this is so good.

Dr Pompa 1:09:44

Yeah, you after a few weeks, your brain starts coming on, going, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:48

Okay, I'm gonna try a little bit of this grass-fed butter. Then I met butter. Well, and I started fat there.

Dr Pompa 1:09:54

Well, yeah, that was a big step.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:56

The SCT oil as opposed to MCT, because I was researching, okay, the CLA in this, it's gonna help me get energy, burn fat.

Dr Pompa 1:10:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:05

So I test this out and I was watching the calories then, okay, pretty, pretty tight. 22, 23, 24, and I'm going, I kept telling my wife, I said, um, have I do I look different to you? Because I feel like I haven't been this cut since I use steroids. And I haven't felt this good in a very long time. Let's kind of check my blood work though and see how that's looking. HDL is normally like 40 for me. It was up to 50 some.

Dr Pompa 1:10:33

Yeah, and you even 80 would be better. Higher the better is that. I'm gonna get there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:37

I'm gonna get there. And I go, okay, I think I can eat more. Let's try a little more. And I kept testing it and testing it and testing it. So now I'm eating like 200 grams of avocados, four whole eggs. I'm having at least about three-quarters of a pound of ground, like grass-fed beef. Or then I started trying elk, I tried venison, I went down the line. Yeah, it had everything, and I was like, huh. Ground pork, huh, huh? And I'm happy. Like, I'm not fighting.

Dr Pompa 1:11:05

Brain's working better, and I'm leaner.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:07

Oh, dude. Yeah. So I was at like when I travel, my wife packs me up.

Dr Pompa 1:11:11

By the way, you were getting skinny fat.

unknown 1:11:13

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:11:14

You know, meaning you you were losing muscle.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:16

Yeah. Terrible.

Dr Pompa 1:11:18

In that, in you had a you know, your body was holding on to fat. That's why when you started feeding it, you start gaining muscle without even lifting, but I'm sure you're lifting. But and then you started cutting into your fat.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:27

Yes. And you know what else I realized? I was eating like nothing but carbs all day and nothing else.

Dr Pompa 1:11:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:32

Nothing. It was like straight carbs and nothing.

Dr Pompa 1:11:34

Yeah, because you're afraid.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:35

Well, and I was having all that oatmeal, you know what I mean? And like just loading it with protein powder.

Dr Pompa 1:11:41

So you actually had higher insulin glucose levels. Terrible. Yeah. And you're avoiding all the things that were actually would have controlled your insulin glucose. And insulin glucose is a faster way to age and a faster way to fat.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:51

Not only that, but I was eating it late at night too, because I was up so late, you know, studying. So I was eating two two to three servings of oatmeal with peanut butter and protein powder at like two in the morning.

Dr Pompa 1:12:01

You know, I hope this show makes it to the there's so many of you out there.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:05

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:12:06

You know, it's like there's so many. And I think social media even creates more of you. And you you broke through this, and that's why I hope the show makes it to people because people will identify with this. As a matter of fact, you better share the show because you know these people, right? They're very disciplined, right? You know, they're very disciplined people. They're the ones that are always at the gym, right? They're the ones that, you know, I mean, you can kind of spot them.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:30

But we lie to ourselves. Absolutely. And I have been lying to myself for so long. The reason that I got the platform that I did was for me to get guests on that needed to be heard, and that's why it's grown so fast. But it was also for me to get out and get people closer to God and to understand all of these things that I've gone through. We, every single human, I don't care how glorious they make themselves look. I don't care how much money they have, I don't care. They all have issues. Everybody has an issue, and we're all the same.

Dr Pompa 1:13:05

Because everyone's functioning in false identities to some degree. That's right. The level of, you know, the level that you're functioning closest to your true identity, uh, who God created you to be, is the level of, oh, life's pretty easy for them, you know, they they're successful, they're happy, they're everything works out, their relationships work out, you're functioning pretty close to your true identity. Yeah. If that's you. But if you're lying to yourself and it's this and it's that and it's this, yeah, you're probably way off your true identity.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:31

There's a lot of brilliant people out there that do podcasts, that do videos, that do this and do that. I am I am brilliant because of who I associate myself with and who I learn from.

Dr Pompa 1:13:42

Well, you're also brilliant because of what you went through.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:44

But but I also understand that you can never know too much, you can always know too little, and I keep it as real. Look, you can't come to me and say that, oh, he's he's on this side or that side or talks this or that. There is nobody out there I will say this for myself that you're gonna get a realer story from or truth from because I just don't care. Yeah, no, you I just do not care. All I care about is what God put me here to do and making the impact I was meant to make, because I will tell you this, Dan, I have more value on time than anybody could ever imagine. I have lost time that I can't get back. But I value the time that I lost because it built me into who I am.

Dr Pompa 1:14:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:21

But it took away from a lot of things.

Dr Pompa 1:14:23

Yeah, yeah, it it it does. There's consequences, right? But ultimately, if you choose correctly, and I hope people are hearing this, right? If you choose correctly and take full responsibility, where we started this conversation, God will work with you at that point. Otherwise, he's gonna keep letting you hear another, we'll we'll give you two more years in jail. Yeah, we'll give you three, four, five, because he loves you that much.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:47

That's right.

Dr Pompa 1:14:48

But the moment you say, Okay, God, I'm gonna do it your way, right? That's what David had to do in the Bible. That's what Saul never did.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:54

Right.

Dr Pompa 1:14:54

You know, he wanted to do it Saul's way.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:56

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:14:57

And the moment we say, Okay, Lord, it's you now, now all of a sudden your life changes. And I hope people hear that. Well, you know, but it is taking responsibility.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:06

You know in the Bible most of the people that were chosen to do the best work were the ones that were the most wrong in what they were living and doing and were making the most mistakes. Yeah, and those are the ones that were chosen for a reason.

Dr Pompa 1:15:19

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:21

You know, and that's that's one of the things that I also had to learn. See, the the the Bible is so misinterpreted because people take verbs, verbiages, and words and they they they take them for what they want. But I when I was reading it first, I go, you know, I'm learning a lot, but it kind of always just goes back to love and it goes back to love, and I'm like, okay, I need more love, but it's like when you watch a movie 10 times.

Dr Pompa 1:15:43

Yeah, but people focus on the love part of God, but they they also forget his judgment. That's right. He's both. He's a good father. A good father, it's it loves, right? But a good father disciplines you, and that's how you ended up in jail, son.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:56

That's right. But once you realize the depth of what's being written in there, and you can look through and you read it 10 times and learn something 10 times differently and new, it's when you watch a movie 20 times that's your favorite movie and go, How the hell did I miss that? When I read and then I think just like today, something hit me talking to you for a reason. But you have to go back and you have to spend that time. It's like Michael Jordan didn't stop shooting shots. He he practiced more. You have to re-educate yourself daily, and you have to give yourself you basically sacrifice some of yourself to God to get out what He wants you to get out. It's not sacrifice to me, though. Just like today when I was driving here and I spent so much time in prayer in the last day or two, I've been lacking, and I wondered why I was such a dick yesterday. It was because I didn't pray enough yesterday. You know? That's the part of me that that I need that to function and to deliver the message that I'm trying to like deliver with you and deliver to people. I am, I might have a million followers, I might have a high this rated that or that. I am literally just another dude. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just like we all are, yeah, that just wants to make a difference. I know a lot of different things that I help people with, but I think the most important is to give people inspiration, hope, and belief in like what they can do.

Dr Pompa 1:17:15

I agree. I because people out there right now are in pain for different maybe it's a relationship, maybe it's a health condition, maybe it's you know, something, addiction, uh, whatever. But the fact is, is inviting God into that, the purpose will come.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:29

That's it, that's it. That's how you find your purpose.

SARMs Risk Check And Peptides

Dr Pompa 1:17:31

That is, exactly. And that's why look at I I focus on the stories. I love the stories. I love to teach around the stories because in the stories is where the truth really is, right? We can sit here and talk about facts and nutrition and la-la-la-la. It's like, but really, it's the stories that change our lives, the pain to the purpose, right? And and people are in pain. I know. And it's like, and it's like I've been there in so many different ways in my life that I can tell you that I needed everyone. We both said that. All right. I promise this uh at the top of the show to talk about peptides a little bit. We talked about SARMs. Most people don't know about SARMs. Um, before we leave that and enter into peptides, what are the healthy SARMs?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:13

Okay.

Dr Pompa 1:18:13

And should anyone try any of them or should you we just not?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:17

I know I was always a SARMS guy and I did this whole thing, and I I didn't most SARMs are really bad. Yeah. Yeah. I had, you know, I I was paid to market and do stuff, so I I did have an interest in it. And I wonder if that played a role in me. But I also go back to man, I use these, these are great. In reality, over time, what I've come to really learn and understand is one you may be getting a SARM from that says it's peer or not, but they've changed over time and how they're made and and how they're tested. And I don't feel that any of them are truly safe at this point because you you still have potential damage to the liver, not as extensive as a steroid. See, my whole thing when I'd say they were safe was it was in comparison to something that's very unsafe. If you take it and sit it down, like you and I both know, just one glass of alcohol is damaging, right? So one cycle of these is damaging. Is it irreversible? Not necessarily, but is it good? No.

Dr Pompa 1:19:18

Yeah, I mean, I would argue uh one glass uh could be very damaging to someone who's had an alcoholic problem. I agree. Yeah, I'm very damaging. That's why they can't even go in a bar. Yeah, right? 100%. One glass to someone who's healthy, I mean, arguably, you know, hormesis, right? Yeah, they can actually deal with it, tolerate it, and it's actually could potentially be good for them if they're drinking wine. But to your point, though, okay, so SARMs, there's there they can be contaminated, there's problems with SARMs. What about something? Because a lot of people take GW, SR, I've tried them, um, and uh they're not really SARMs. Yeah. Are those okay?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:56

Once again, so like the GW side, there's that cancer study that was done on rodents, and there's some side that go, oh, the math is this, and the other side that, oh, the math is that. You know how this works with studies and everything. Have I ever had a direct, you know, sense of does this actually cause cancer? No. But do I also have a sense that if you have like if you're prone to it or you have some cancer cells that it could elevate the growth potential? Yeah, possibly.

Dr Pompa 1:20:24

A lot of things could, yeah. You're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:26

Certainly. So that's something to take into consideration. With the SR, it it has it been studied long enough for for what you and I would like? Probably not. Um, long term. Do I see a lot of good, good potential there? Sure, I do, because there's like it's so it was an it was like an exercise memetic, so you don't have to work out when you take it and still lose weight. Does it have potential benefits for your metabolism and flexibility? Yes. Can it increase your endurance?

Dr Pompa 1:20:52

Mitochondrial biogenesis may make more mitochondria.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:55

Yes. So but are there better ways?

Dr Pompa 1:20:57

Yeah, exactly. I mean, just exercise in general, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:01

But could you take urolithinea for mitochondria? Could you take other, you know, things that we know that are beneficial? I would much rather go that route. So as and I know this is it's going against the grain of what I used to teach for all these years, but I'm man enough to admit where I may have been wrong.

Peptides, Healing Stacks, And GLP-1s

Dr Pompa 1:21:16

Yeah, uh exactly. I mean, and I I think that's a good answer. Okay, so let's move into peptides.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:21

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:21:21

Yeah. So again, healthy ones, unhealthy ones. Um, let's start by explaining to newbies uh what is a peptide? I mean, it's just chains of amino acids.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:32

I mean, in all actuality, when I started in 2012 and I discovered these research chemical companies, which we can certainly dive into if you want me to explain that, but you could only select, I believe it was eight or nine, and they're all like growth hormone uh growth hormone releasing peptides or releasing hormones. So the same ones you see now, Ipamarelin, CJC1295.

Dr Pompa 1:21:55

Yeah, those are growth hormone, growth hormone. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:58

Uh the GHRs, the GHR P2 and 6.

Dr Pompa 1:22:01

I'm gonna be honest, I took, I I tried those and I didn't really notice much. And for the expense, no, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:08

I mean, all those are really so GHRP6 can help you eat a lot. So you could gain some size, like for bodybuilders, they like that one. Those are really just helping you release growth hormone as opposed to taking exogenous growth hormone.

Dr Pompa 1:22:20

Yeah, it doesn't shut your body's own production off, right? It just helps you produce more. So I mean, I do think they're those are relatively safe, but I don't I don't know that it's worth it for the money.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:29

That's the I I I think Ipamorelin and CJC, they they have their place. Um, so I used Milan and too, it was the first one I ever used.

Dr Pompa 1:22:39

Oh, yeah. My son used that. I I I could never use it, and I'll tell you why, because I get dark spots, right? And that makes dark spots dark spots. Yeah, so but he took it, man. He was purple, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

Um, I was living in Maui and You were you were purple. I was so embarrassed that I had to stay home because I got so dark.

Dr Pompa 1:22:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:57

Because back then you were told you take this, then you go out in the sun. And when I went out in the sun, then I was laying out an hour. Okay. Because I mean, I didn't have anything to do. That was my joy, you know. And uh it made me very nauseous every time I took it, even at very low doses. I would throw up a lot or be so sick to my stomach that, you know, now libido increase was very drastic, which was nice at the time, but I I didn't care for it. But though that was about it back then. Now there's thousands.

Dr Pompa 1:23:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:28

And it's something for everything.

Dr Pompa 1:23:30

Yeah, I know. You know, yeah, meaning the peptides. Yeah, yeah. I yeah, again, I the ones that I still take, um, because people will want to know, I still take uh BPC 157 if I have an injury. I matter of fact, I just injected my phone this morning. Uh TB500 is a very safe, it just helps your body recover. Um, you know, I I I don't I've taken others. Uh I'm just my my brain's spinning right now on on some of the uh the other ones I've taken. But um, yeah, I mean I I think that there's a there's some better ones and some bad ones. What are some bad ones that we should stay away from?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:05

One thing I'll say is this I can sit here and talk to you about hundreds of peptides that I'm versed on, but most people, you can only get like X amount per actually prescribed legally, you know, because these are by the way, SARM's peptides, they're in this gray zone. Yeah, very gray.

Dr Pompa 1:24:21

Yeah, like meaning that it's not like illegal. You have to go to these websites that kind of sell them for experimental, animal, experimental only, right? And it's like, but they allow you to get them. Yeah. Because I think they like the feedback. Like, I think it's like a way of testing.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:33

It is, yeah. So they're they're called research chemical sites, and they have to say not for human consumption, because if they market it any other way, it's illegal. The problem is, is all these peptides we'll talk about right now, you can't really get them prescribed. You have to go that route to them. I know, yeah. So you don't have a choice. Now, I'm privy to the information on where to go and where to not go because there's like new ones popping up left and right, and half of these places don't test them.

Dr Pompa 1:25:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:00

And uh anyway, so you asked some of the bad ones. I think the first way everybody's gonna go in terms of a bad one is to just go straight to GLP ones.

Dr Pompa 1:25:10

Now, are they bad that's a it's a peptide?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:13

Very hate it. Very debatable topic on how bad they are because you got one side of the fence that has this.

Dr Pompa 1:25:18

No offense, but I'm sure I'm surprised you didn't get into GLP one.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:21

I discuss them a lot, but I don't touch them. Yeah, I mean, I'm that's yeah, you know, I could have even I'm not there anymore. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Dr Pompa 1:25:27

Like, but you know, I well, I guess it wasn't even popular when you were in doing the bad spell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:33

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:25:33

I If it was, you would have taken it.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:35

One of the things that it was, you would have taken it. You know, but be honest with you, one of the things I've been pretty good about is not taking stuff to lose weight. I've always I've been scared, uh, especially when I found out about my heart. So that was kind of the time they got fear drives you, man.

Dr Pompa 1:25:48

Yes, I know, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:49

Maybe something like drives everybody. But okay, so let's let's walk down the line here. So you got your first one was Ozempic semaglutide. That's like little brother, right?

Dr Pompa 1:25:59

Yeah. And what problems do you I can tell you the problems that they already know the problems I have with it, but what problems do you have with it?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:04

Well, I mean, I just think it's crap to all the way around. I think there's I think there's so much misuse and people that don't understand how to use it. And I think there's so many negatives that go along with it. Is there potentially good benefit to using it?

Dr Pompa 1:26:19

Yeah, I I I am willing to say if someone's like, you know, obese, has massive glucose issues, they they could die at a time from common and GLP could save their lives. Yeah, yeah. So I'm not like saying there's never a use.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:32

No, but it's it's just like anything else. Use it properly or don't use it. This wasn't even designed for weight loss.

Dr Pompa 1:26:38

You're right. Yeah, right. Right. So yeah, that's they say that. That's why all these lawsuits, you know, it's like there's blindness. There's they're like, hold, well, wait, hold on a second. Yeah, we don't we've never developed it for that.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:49

Well, and that's it. Like, so I use jardiance for my ejection fraction. It's not even wasn't designed for that, but actually found that benefit with it, and it works well for me, and I don't have to take the hardcore stuff. But back to the GLP ones, these weren't designed for this purpose. They found this out later through like testing, and these are for people that have a diabetic issue, right? So this one was the first one. So then what happens? Well, they develop something better, right? So it's better, it's it's it's got less side effects, maybe more effective, but still problems. So now what? We develop redatrutide, which is still in their last phase of studies, but everybody uses it. It's by far the superior one. It's been, it's like we go through this phase of okay, we found something, but it's all messed up. We're gonna fix it, make it a little better. Now we're gonna make it really better. So retrutide so far is showing to be a lot safer. Is it? I don't know because I need more data and I need more like real, I have a lot. See, I'm a data guy, but I'm a data guy on what I see on the surface, not what studies tell me, because they're so manipulated, and there's so many ways to manipulate them. And So I look at how I'm I'm talking to hundreds, if not thousands, of people on how are they reacting to it. And that's where I draw my data. But you see, the problem with that is I don't know the quality of what they're getting. So there's a there's a different approach and problem when you're looking at these underground, you know, markers on people using them.

Dr Pompa 1:28:18

Are there some uh peptide labs that you like more than others?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:22

Yeah, yeah. I mean, so there's one I've known now for five years. It's really the only one I'll associate my name with, it's called Umbrella Labs.

Dr Pompa 1:28:28

Yeah, Umbrella Labs, I I just told um, you know, um uh I have no names, but anyway, yeah to get a SARM there. Yeah. It was the GW. That's the spot. Yeah, exactly. Because they they they at least they tested it's you're getting what you pay for.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:44

He's got a million-dollar facility. Yeah, yeah. I went down there to meet him in uh I don't know, 2019 or 20 and went down there to see them where they're at and and did a walkthrough because I was wanting to see a place that actually had a real facility and not making it in their bathtub at home. Yeah, it's legit. Like, and he's a good dude, you know, like a really good guy. So that's the the place I go.

Dr Pompa 1:29:06

Umbrella Labs, yeah. That would be you know, the one that you know beat on the street is a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:12

You brought up BPC and TB500 because I I talked about the bad ones. So these are the ones everybody really is behind, yeah, right. Okay, so let's take it a step further. Those are the two most well-known in the healing realm. Yeah, so then they come out with this product called Glow.

Dr Pompa 1:29:27

Yeah, it's a combination of TB, BPC, and G H K.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:32

G H K C U, right?

Dr Pompa 1:29:33

And and that's that's kind of a chaperone for copper.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:36

Yes. Love G HKCU.

Dr Pompa 1:29:38

Yeah, it heals. You know, I've taken it. Yeah, and and um itises like I use uh women like it because that they're collagen.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:46

I use it on my face. I do you know Dr. Patel with Aura Oral Wellness. Yeah, I know he came on my show and he and he let me try some of it. We love it. Me and my wife use it, and I'm a big skincare, obviously, from modeling. I love GHKCU. But then we take it a step further. This is the key to that whole combination. So now they come out with this thing called Clow with the K. That's where the KPV comes in.

Dr Pompa 1:30:09

Okay, so we had glow, and now we have clo which all four of them KPV is a peptide that helps gut issues.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:15

Yes, and that's why I love it so much. Yeah, exactly.

Dr Pompa 1:30:17

And I knew you would I have uh you know told people to try to use KPV, even the oral version, and I I'm telling you, it it it works to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:28

That's the secret weapon to the four, which really makes it like worthwhile. No, well, I shouldn't say worthwhile, I'll say make it its strongest. If you really want the ultimate healing stack, you get the four.

Dr Pompa 1:30:41

So in review, TB500, BPC, um the uh uh G H K G H K, and then the the the copper peptide, G H K C U. And then um what was the other one?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:54

KPV. KPV. Oh, that's the one. Yeah, so I'm a big fan of that, and I'm a big fan of MOTC.

Dr Pompa 1:31:00

Okay, and yeah, moats. I always say moats, right? You can say it either way. We'll talk about motes in a minute. So um what those four, what would people expect if they got on those?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:10

Oh well, like you said, with the gut, which is a major thing. We we start having that type of possible gut healing or repair. Because BPC has that kind of benefit, too.

Dr Pompa 1:31:21

Yeah, yeah. No, BPC works in the gut.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:23

Definitely.

Dr Pompa 1:31:23

But I've noticed the the new oral versions actually in the gut can sometimes make a bigger difference.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:29

Yes, and and that's what it's good for.

Dr Pompa 1:31:30

Whereas like I inject BPC, like my shoulder, uh, put it in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

Well, and for people watching, if you take BPC orally, you're not gonna really experience like what you're getting in your shoulder nearly like it's because you're you're site injecting to the a site that needs the healing, which is what you're gonna want to do. I use a cream, it's a BPC TB500 cream, and I love it. It's stable enough to do it.

Dr Pompa 1:31:53

I know that oxidize these things damage easily, it works.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:56

Um now it's only BPC and TB500. I just get sick of injecting all the time.

Dr Pompa 1:32:01

Oh, dude, I know. I go through phases of this, you know. I it like what it'll motivate me. Like I said, I I had a a tend a tendinitis, tendinitis, and so then that put me back into you know, using that's how I ended up back up on uh G, you know, copper peptide. Yeah, and then that's how BPC 500. I'm tasely taking that stack. I love it. It's good. It took a little injury to get there because it's a pain in the butt and it's expensive. I mean, I'm you know, it's annoying.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:27

And and I've been on TRT injections forever. Now, I um I just took we're gonna talk about that next. Yeah, because I want to talk to you about the oral form of that now that I'm gonna start. Um, so yeah, the that that you will expect the healing, obviously. Um, but then the the the skin, the way that your skin will look, your hair, your skin, your nails, all of that, you're gonna know it's like the full-fledged, full-blown stack. And and I love these options because this is the alternative medicine of the future with the whole peptide genre. Yeah, there's so many options.

Dr Pompa 1:32:59

Yeah, there are. And and again, I I could there's some we talked about GLP1s, right? They're bad peptides. There's other bad peptides out there, but we're not making a you know a statement for um, you know, all these peptides, even the SARMs. I've taken GWSR right myself, right? So um, but I do agree with you. It's like, you know, ah, I mean, to spend the money, I mean, so you know, I I I was talking to someone in the gym, they're like, Yeah, but I like to be on them because that gets me to the gym. See, I don't have that problem. I get to the gym anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:28

I believe in yeah, I don't I believe in self-intrinsic motivation. Yeah, exactly. If you need something like that to take you to the gym, you should reflect.

Dr Pompa 1:33:36

Yep.

unknown 1:33:37

Right.

Dr Pompa 1:33:37

So, anyways, those are good for the hair, the skin, the joints, right, and and all of that, and the gut, right? So that crosses a lot of boundaries. You we you focused on all my favorite ones, right? So okay. The motes, though, I've never taken motes. What is moats? I've heard of moats.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:54

So, okay. It's really known to be an exercise memetic.

Dr Pompa 1:33:58

Am I saying it wrong? You say it might be correctly. Well, what did you say?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:02

Matsy. Mot C. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:34:04

I'm saying MOTS. I don't know. I'm probably wrong. I'm just letting it. You could say anything. I say everything wrong.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:09

It's all the same. It's all good. Potato potato, right? Um, but anyway, it is known to be an exercise memetic, meaning that you could take it, not really work out, and have some fat loss.

Dr Pompa 1:34:20

I would say SR SARM.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:22

Yes, but it is mitochondrial benefits. Okay. That's what I like about it. Okay. Helping mitochondrial health take that. I that's where I like it because I'm a big mitochondria and cellular health guy. When I started to do my work with Timeline a year ago, I literally went to Harvard and studied cellular biology at night and understood mitochondria, became a cellular health coach. That's how serious I take my background, yeah. So, like my least favorite subject my entire life was science, and now my whole life revolves around it. And biology, that's why I just enrolled for neuroscience at ASU. So I have really focused on cellular and neuro piecing them together with you know my saying, you have to fix the cell to get well.

Dr Pompa 1:35:04

That's my saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:05

I love it. That goes with me in life. I want to be known as the mind-body connector, but spirituality is part of that connection too. I have a three-prong approach. So I mean, I would I when the I should have said this.

Dr Pompa 1:35:17

I was going to earlier. Where do people find you? Because everyone's going, okay, I want to follow this guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:21

Tell them where to find you. Um I actually am finishing up dylandjamelli.com and it is um well, you better spell the Germelli. Yeah, G-E-M-E-L-L-I, Dylan Jamelli podcast, and then Instagram. Like if you go to me on TikTok, I got a ton of followers and I respond to no one because I hate TikTok. I despise it.

Dr Pompa 1:35:39

I don't even have it on my phone.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:40

I yeah, I only post there because I need to for partners, but otherwise I don't touch it. But yeah, those are my bread and butters. Instagram, you will get me. I don't have people respond from me. If you get a response, it's from me. Cool. I don't do that. So follow them.

Dr Pompa 1:35:53

Follow them.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:54

Yeah. Please.

Dr Pompa 1:35:55

All right. Anyways, um, yeah. So the MOATs is uh, that's a cool one. I love it. I should try it. Oh, you'd love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:01

I'll tell you how to use it because you have to, it's a little bit different dosing. So we'll go over it together on the side and I'll kind of show you because you want to make sure that you you run it and get off.

Dr Pompa 1:36:10

My wife, my wife is um, she's been in menopause for many years. Uh she's 58. She did it without hormones, uh, you know, taking a hormone ever, right? Um, but I just started some peptides with her. Really? Yeah, because you know, they're worried about the skin and the hair, right? I mean, I I I'm not saying that in a negative way. It's for every woman. And she doesn't do Botox, she doesn't do fillers, she doesn't do anything, right? So we live very natural lives. I love it. Um, but so that stack, she's she's doing that. Well, she's doing one other one. Um, so um uh what is it? Um oh uh C-Max, she's doing that's more brain.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:50

C Max and Celank are two of my favorites because they do brain and anxiety and everything. They they go together, they're very synergistic.

Dr Pompa 1:36:56

C Max is yeah, with an S, S-E-M-A-X.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:59

S-E-M-A-X and Celank is S-E-L-A-N-X. I don't know that one. They they pair really nicely together. You do like one in the morning, one at night. Okay. I can help you with all this.

Dr Pompa 1:37:07

And then this one sounds more hormone, but it's not. It's endotest.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:11

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:37:12

And um, I can tell you it's helped her. I mean, like, you know, she like notices a difference, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:17

So SS31 is another one that's gaining a lot of steam, and that's got some like cardiovascular heart benefits. Really good one to to look into, multitudes of benefits that I I I am potentially going to start taking that one myself.

Dr Pompa 1:37:29

So I'll let you know what I think of that one and the benefits that it's it is fun, you know, experimenting with them. And again, I wouldn't do it if it wasn't safe. My my health is uh in to your point too, right? It's it's prime. I mean, I you know, I just again I I just like it for the joint, the health of it, you know. It's 60, I still play hard, you know. It's like, so I get tendonitis and I can't like swing a golf cup. It's like, oh no.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:54

I know, I know. My favorite, I'll tell you my favorite, is it's called tesamorlin.

Dr Pompa 1:37:59

Yeah, tesamorlin. I I I haven't taken it, but you know, everyone tells me about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:04

Oh, here's why I like it.

Dr Pompa 1:38:05

And it sounds hormonish, but it's not, isn't it? It's not a testosterone drive.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:08

No, no, no, no, no. It it's it's going to increase your growth hormone levels. But what I like about it is it's very good for cutting weight and preserving muscle because cutting weight is not good if you're not preserving some muscle. And that's why I like it so much, because it carries that capability.

Dr Pompa 1:38:24

Exactly why Ozempic sucks.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:26

That's right.

Dr Pompa 1:38:26

Because you lose muscle and it's like, which makes coming off of it almost impossible. Do you buy into the um the whole low dose thing, right? It's like, I mean, I granted, I would argue low dose is better than high dose, right? It's like, but it I find that it just, you know, it just takes a longer to get there, but you're still losing muscle slower. You are.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:46

There's cognitive benefits to microdose. Oh, yeah. Uh huh.

Dr Pompa 1:38:49

There's GLP1 receptors on there.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:51

But again, that's a microbiome issue. That's right. Look, it makes it easier to eat adequately at a microdose, but can you still do that? I don't know because it the way that it functions on your brain and shuts things off. I can't speak to everybody. I I I can extrapolate data and it's kind of down the middle. Some people, oh, I can eat fine with it. Some people still struggle. Is it good to trick your body that long to just not eat? And then what happens? What happens? I don't like it. I don't either. Yeah, I hate it. Don't like it. I I'm not anti-GLP one, but I'm also very open about the facts.

Dr Pompa 1:39:25

And that's why I always make it clear. It's like, I think, again, uh you have to balance risk and reward here, right? Yeah. When you have the obese diabetic, um, they could die like this from a heart attack, stroke, et cetera, et cetera. And that that could literally save their life.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:40

So are you robbing Peter to pay Paul? Exactly, right.

Dr Pompa 1:39:43

So, you know, uh there's a time and a place. I listen, there's a time and a place for many medications. Yes. You know, some medications I might say never, but I'm not telling anyone to do anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:52

But you and I are the same. It's like just because maybe we don't like it, we can still point out a little bit of purpose with it, but just be aware that this comes along with it. Right. Absolutely. I never say anti, but I don't care for them.

Hormones, TRT, And Endocrine Disruptors

Dr Pompa 1:40:04

Yeah, I agree. Okay, let's move in on that subject. Um, hormones. Okay. Yeah. Look, I again, I'm gonna state the same thing I just stated. I there's a time and a place. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:14

Absolutely.

Dr Pompa 1:40:15

But my issue with all of these people in our space jumping to bioidentical hormones, I think it's uh misdirected. I I think if someone's missing a gland or an organ, absolutely you might need some hormone assistance. But I find that people are just running to this. My issue is the cellular problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:35

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:40:35

You know, hormones in the blood really doesn't mean what's actually happening in the cell. That's right. So we can make blood levels, oh, your estrogen's low, your testosterone's low. We can make that look better, but what it's doing in the cell is not reflected by your blood. Yeah. So it's not as crisp and clean as people think. And when you start taking a hormone, you slow and stop your body's own production. And one more point, and hormones go like this through the day with innate intelligence. Meaning stress level goes up, your body will adjust, your your your estrogen is going to be affected, your testosterone's meaning, all in a balancing effect that you don't have to think about. So you're not going, oh, you know what? I know when I'm stressed, I need a little more testosterone. I need a little more. Okay, your body does that for you. I know. When you're taking these hormones, you're doing, you're doing this. And I think there's a consequence to that. And again, I with all that said, I recognize the time and the place too. So I'm not anti-hormone. I'm just more cautious. Okay, that's my stance. No. And I don't, you know, you're welcome to you have your stance, and I'm welcome to bring it.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:44

Most people come to me to fix them, right? So I get a lot of people that were either ex steroid users that are completely just destroyed.

Dr Pompa 1:41:54

They don't have their testicles. You're probably gonna have to take testosterone your whole life.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:58

I have shifted a lot of what I do to really help a lot of women. So I have a 50-50 audience now. I've worked really hard to get that because I do work with a lot of menopausal women and a lot of people that are struggling in a midlife sort of I hate the midlife crisis term, but I don't know how else to put it. Men and women. So one of the first things that I get is, oh, I'm tired, I need testosterone. Oh, I'm run down, or oh, I can't lose weight, or oh, this. And my my first response is no. Let me dig. Let me see if there's something here that's blocking your testosterone production, or if that even is the case, or blocking it from getting into the cell. That's right. So, for instance, just one example. If I look at a sex hormone binding globulin score, and if that is too high, then you're bounding up free testosterone. Yeah. So we fix that problem. You may boom, we don't need TRT. And there's a lot of natural things that can help that. That's exactly right. And that's just one small thing. But anyway, yes. But we go down a list of stuff to look at first before we even do that. Now, one thing, and I I just had a former American gladiator on yesterday, and she was talking about how testosterone uh ice, Lori Fetric. Okay, yeah. Yeah. So, and she was talking about, and I see this all the time, women that are really struggling in menopause, they they have this fear of testosterone, don't understand that they need it. Just like you and I need it. Yeah, of course, women need it. You and I need estrogen, much lower extent, but women need testosterone because that can just crush them. Yeah, but they have a different balance because they have to look at progesterone, estrogen, and and testosterone.

Dr Pompa 1:43:31

And the the potential, where's it going? Meaning the body, it it could go down the wrong road. Yes, you know, it could end up going down a road and producing more estrone, and estrone can brock estradiol. That's right. And your doctor's going, your estradiol levels are normal, you know, or they're making it normal, but it's being blocked. Exactly. And so women's take a woman's taking estrogen, going, I I don't feel well anymore. It's because their estro estrone is rising up.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:56

Yes. And then you're trying to take one thing to fix another to fix another before you're on 30 things.

Dr Pompa 1:44:01

Dude, that's my point is it's a hard game to win. You can't. And I get, but women have, you know, look, if all of the cut the chemicals that mimic hormones, women washing their clothes in regular laundry detergent has all these hormone disruptors. I know. It's like drink out of plastic, do it's like they mimic hormones, like, you know, and then they they tr they're trying to balance that by taking hormones. Some women are gonna notice it a benefit in the beginning. But what I've noticed is there it doesn't last. No because now this is off. Now this is off. Now, and then they go to the testosterone and then they feel good again. I have my sex drive again, and then that doesn't last. It's this is what we're finding, Dylan.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:43

It's a never-ending nonstop thing instead of just addressing the problem and doing it right.

Dr Pompa 1:44:48

Yeah, and listen, I am if a woman's life, I mean, they can't function anymore. There's a time that biodential hormone could be the answer for that, right? But while they're doing that, they better be taking out all these hormone mimics, all these, you know, chemicals that mimic estrogen, disrupt it, drive inflammation of the cells, stopping the hormones from getting like, I mean, it's like if you're not doing that, then you're just you're on crutches your whole life. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:15

You have to look, I can, it's just like I tell everybody else, I can put you on the best diet in the world, I can do this, I can do this. If you're not hormonally optimized and mentally optimized, it does not matter. Right. There's nothing that is ever going to work. It is just a band-aid to a wound that will fall off every day.

Dr Pompa 1:45:30

You know, I've had my testosterone measured multiple times. Um sometimes it's three hundreds, sometimes it's seven hundreds, sometimes it's four. And I feel the same. But what it tells me is it's moving around.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:44

Time of day is everything. What you ate, if you've been moving.

Dr Pompa 1:45:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:47

You you send to get the most accurate.

Dr Pompa 1:45:52

Oh, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:53

You know, you're supposed to ideally fasted for 12 hours first thing in the morning, is when you you're gonna get the best reading.

Dr Pompa 1:46:00

Thyroid hormones, so very depends on when you take it.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:03

But in fairness, certain things can affect that too. Absolutely. You should see. So I'm on TRT. That's my own doing from using steroids, my fault.

Dr Pompa 1:46:11

Now, see, I agree. You use steroids. Uh you know, this is little graphic, but you, you know, your your nuts shrink.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:19

Thankfully, it didn't happen to me, but it still shuts down your lutinizing horizontal.

Dr Pompa 1:46:23

To the point where many ex-bodybuilders have no nuts left. Yeah, a lot of them don't. Yeah, but the point because they're not being used to make testosterone. But the point is, is your body shut it down. Yes. I would tell Dylan you you're you're gonna need testosterone.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:35

Well, yeah, you've you've I did that to myself.

Dr Pompa 1:46:38

I I I'm in agreement with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:40

Um, but you would be surprised. Like, so I inject twice a week. Now, now testosterone injections have ester chains connected to them. So sypionate is ideal because it's a seven to eight day half-life.

Dr Pompa 1:46:53

Sipionate is a form of testosterone that is injectable.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:56

So testosterone is testosterone, and then they attach an ester chain, which allows a release point. So, like testosterone propionate is like a three two and a half to three days, you have to inject it every other day, otherwise, the levels are all over the place. So, sipionate's ideal for TRT because of the half-life. So, you could inject once a week theoretically. The problem is you have what's called a peak and a trough. So, if I inject like Tuesday, you take my testosterone level, well, shit, depending on how much I take, it could be anywhere from 800 to 1,000. Then if you take it, like if I wait a week and you test it before I inject again, it's down to like 300 or 200. So you you have this like bal imbalance of how you feel. Yeah. That's why when I teach people, you have to do it twice a week, you know, and and that a lot of doctors don't understand how this works, and they'll put people on these long esters and inject it once a month, and these people never feel good because it's up and down. So I met um, his name is Shaylin Shaw, and he's one of the founders of Kaisotrex, and that's the oral form of testosterone. That I'm gonna start that. I just got a script because Dr. uh Betsy Yurth is the one that educated on me on it, you know, a couple years ago. And I wanted to wait to make sure that tests and everything. So I'm gonna give it a shot so I don't have to inject because it's supposed to alleviate rise in estrogen. It's supposed to allow your lutinizing hormone to kick back up. There's a lot of things it's supposed to do. You have to take it daily, but it's oral, so no more injections.

Dr Pompa 1:48:25

What about in clonophene? Some people take that. It stimulates from the pituitary lutinizing hormone FH down and it gets your testicles produced.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:35

I worry about long-term use to benefit that on you know dependency on it. Yeah, I worry about long-term use of anything. I do too.

Dr Pompa 1:48:41

Yeah, and things stop working too, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:44

And yeah, that's just it. I don't have enough data or comfort.

Dr Pompa 1:48:48

I mean, I think most people are taking that for, you know, um posty hypo uh um gonadism.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:55

Yes. And then post-psychotherapy, I I don't have a problem with it because you you that's another thing. You think about what do people use to come off steroids? They use clomid and novodex. So what are those? Yeah. Well, Novidex is a breast cancer medication. Do you think that's smart to use for a dude? And then Clomid is uh really it's supposed to be a fertility drug for women. Yeah, does that sound smart too?

Dr Pompa 1:49:16

Well, clonophine was from that family, yes, yeah. They used it for infertility, actually. Yeah. You start you know my memory there.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:22

Yeah, but it do any of those things sound like those are good things to use, like that they use women like a women's cancer medication? That was always my argument with people, but I don't I don't have to play that argument anymore because I'm out of that world, you know. But yeah, these are the troubling things that I've learned.

Dr Pompa 1:49:38

And again, I I think it kind of brings ourselves with the advancements of peptides, it's a way more natural way to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:45

Absolutely.

Dr Pompa 1:49:46

Without shutting down your own production, yeah, without trying to figure out the game of up and down. We both made the argument some people need it and you should do it right if you're gonna do it. Absolutely. You even gave some great tips there on how to do it right. Um, you know, I I think. That when we look at how many women estrogen progester, you know, I I know the whole thing, the black box warning, they took that off. And I and I agree, it's not directly, it's not creating uh you know cancer. Indirectly, I think that you could still have problems because I've seen a lot of Dutch tests where women are taking estrogen and we see all these high estrogen metabolites like four hydroxyesterone that can lead to uh breast cancer and other cancer.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:23

So it's dangerous.

Dr Pompa 1:50:24

But I again that's an indirect thing. It's you know, so I don't think it would be fair to say that it causes it directly. But um, I I and again, there's there's a time and a place, but what was my point gonna be? My point was going to be that, oh, I know what it was gonna be. So, you know, women are are taking the estrogen and they seem to get this benefit in the beginning, but because they haven't really got to the cause of why, yeah, then they end up not having a lasting result.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:54

That's right.

Dr Pompa 1:50:54

You know, and and I think that's confusing for a lot of women.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:57

I know.

Aluminum Exposure And Final Share

Dr Pompa 1:50:58

You know, so the the point is if you're doing that, please be working on eliminating all the things that are disrupting hormones in your life. And follow my Instagram page because that's what I talk about. Yeah, and then the detox that I teach is getting rid of the because a lot of these endocrine disruptors, they accumulate. Yes, heavy metals accumulate, they don't leave the body in a lot of places, right? And they accumulate in the brain, even in the pituitary that runs your hormones. If you have mercury or aluminum in that area, which I did, you can't, all my hormones were disrupted. I spent years trying to balance my thyroid, my adrenals, my testosterone. I mean, it just doesn't work.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:35

I just had a high aluminum score come back, and I can't figure out why.

Dr Pompa 1:51:39

Dude, it's jet fuel has it. I'm not talking about chemtrails. I'm talking about to make there's they have jet fuel now to make it's all about dollars and cents. This isn't conspiracy. You know, it they're able to fly jets a lot farther on the modern day fuel. However, and that's why you see more chemtrails, by the way. There's more particles and they condensate, you know, and people call them chemtrails, they're contrails, so you see more condensation, but aluminum is coming out of the sky, man. I mean, it's like and it's in our food supply, it's in our water. And then, you know, how much aluminum foil are people wrapping? We have a lot of aluminum exposures, antiperspirants, I mean, all these things. So aluminum is so everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:17

I was sitting in my backyard um and I was like doing prayers and sitting there, and I all of a sudden I yell, Queenie at my wife. I said, get out here. And this, I saw this thing going across the sky and it was just dropping it. And I said, What is that? It looked like a UFO. And we filmed it. And it, you should see the stuff that was just coming being dropped.

Dr Pompa 1:52:34

Be clear, and I I always say that too. Do they do do they spray at different times for different it they do? Uh-huh. They they have to get clearance, they do get clearance. They they're doing it for different reasons. They have different so this is like, you know, you know, bioengineering has been around a long time, right? And it's it's used differently. But when you look at a commercial jet going over and you see that trail, that's not what that is. So that people confuse the two. Right. So when they say, like, you know, uh, Mexico is outlawed, you know, bio uh am I saying that? Bioengineering. What am I saying? Um bio, what's the word? What's the word? Bioengineering? Maybe I'm saying it right. Okay, dyslexia. But anyways, um it it you still see chemtrails in Mexico, man. Okay. But my point is, though, is because what they uh outlawed is, and they did it in Florida too. You're you know, you're not allowed to use certain things and spraying certain things, and some of it was being experimental to control weather. I know all that goes on and went on, and you know, most of it was a fail, but that's still not what you look up when you see the jet. No, I'm gonna get hate mail on that because people in our space love that topic. And I I spend so much time like, you know, disproving it, you know. So so I I think there's chemtrails, but it's not that. That's the point. But anyway, I for I got went off. Okay. Aluminum, yeah. The point it was I was making was is that you know, we really have to focus on um, you know, the the the causative factors of you know, where hormones are. I mean, we're out of time, bro. We just spoke all my time. Yeah, I know. So I that was amazing, but um, tell them one more time where to find you.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:06

Yes, please. So dylandjamelli.com, G-E-M-E-L-L-I, Instagram, Dylan Jamelli Podcast. We're tearing it up. You're gonna come on. We'll have another great conversation. I'll be there. Um, but yeah, that I am literally just doing God's work there. And I mean, we talk about everything. I do all aspects of everything from mind, body, spirit, and I do it all. So those are the best places to find me, man.

Dr Pompa 1:54:31

Yeah. Find them, share and like the show as always. Share the show, man. People need to hear that story right there. Share it.