The Brain Expert: The Real Reason You Can’t Focus (and a New Way to Fix It)

Dark Places And New Hope
SPEAKER_01 0:00

I think I might be in jail, maybe even dead. I got arrested on a number of occasions. I started abusing very excessive drugs and alcohol.

Dr Pompa 0:12

I always said I don't fear dying. I fear going back and living like that again.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

You're kind of expecting yourself to experience something that your brain's not doing. Then I did a second brain map after that experience, or you could literally see just the clarity that my brain had visually was so powerful.

Dr Pompa 0:34

Most parents would have just thrown their kid on medication. Your parents had some type of knowledge that there's another way up.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

ADHD is very misunderstood. Most people think ADHD is a super fast, overactive brain pattern.

Dr Pompa 0:52

My next guess is going to bring a new solution. Well, it's actually not that new to things like anxiety, even brain fog, ADHD, sleep, all of it, even bipolar, that she healed herself from with this technology. Wait till you hear her story, wait till you hear this show. We

What Brain Code Does
Dr Pompa 1:13

have answers, and I'm here with my lovely wife. Why? Well, you'll find out why. And Rachel Lambert, thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Thank you both so much for having me.

Dr Pompa 1:21

Yeah. Yeah. No, okay. So I did a show on this with your partner in crime.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Yes, that was.

Dr Pompa 1:29

All right. And after that show, I recommended um several people to do this. Like you have to do this. And my wife and I committed to doing it. Now, again, I haven't, I'm about ready to start. Monday I start. She just started. So we'll we'll talk about uh we'll talk about that. But okay, I was exposed to this some years ago from a guy named Andrew Hill out of UCLA. And it blew me away. Now, now it's done virtually before you'd had to go to one of the clinics, right? But that the technology then, and again, that's why I said it's not new, because that was some years ago, and it's the the technology even supersedes that. But I, you know, I was blown away by how really I'll say simple it is, but the incredible results. Okay. Your company is called Brain Code, right? Yes, sir. And brain uh brain neurofeedback is really what we're talking about. So in the simplest way possible, explain to them what the heck we're talking we're doing here and talking about.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Yes. So if we think about mental health in general, right? Anxiety, ADHD, depression, you name it. Typically we're just looking at symptomology. So the DSM criteria, or if you're gonna take some sort of PhQ9, you're just looking at symptomology. What I love about a brain map is you're actually gonna look at root neurological cause via brain waves to really understand what someone's suffering with.

Dr Pompa 3:00

So your your partner put these things on our head. She did. We watched, we did it with our eyes open, eyes closed, et cetera. And then we were able to watch our brains literally on the screen.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 3:10

And then she was able to gather a lot of data about parts of our brain that maybe are under firing, if you will, parts of our brain that are overfiring. And it was almost like, you know, you know, just kind of reading our minds. I mean, like when you did my son, I'm like, that's him. Yeah. So, anyways, sorry to interrupt, but I wanted to just give people an understanding of what you just said.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Yeah. And I think when these little electrodes are on the head, there's two things. People think either we're putting brain waves in or we're taking something out of the brain, but that's really not it at all, right? Think like an EKG of a heartbeat. You're just looking at the beat of the heart. We're looking at the waves of the brain. With that information, we're able to quantify it through a database so we can see these patterns. So we're not looking at thoughts, we're not looking at emotions in that moment. We're not looking at how your day is, you know, that day. I think people, when they're struggling, for example, with sleep, are like, how are you gonna see that I struggle with sleep? I'm I'm struggling so bad, but I'm not sleeping during this assessment. Because we're not looking at what your brain is doing then. We're looking at the shifting capability or lack thereof to really see how well your brain is adapting and shifting into those different physiological states. So through that quantitative electroencephalagrium or brain map, like you all did remotely, we do that assessment and then we put together custom protocols to help serve our clients better using the therapy.

Dr Pompa 4:31

And we're gonna learn all about that because this helps so many people. Uh, we want to hear your story first because you're a neuroscientist now. But it was you were actually a girl with bipolar. Take

Brain Mapping Without Guesswork
Dr Pompa 4:44

us back.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Yes. So, like you, right? I got super passionate through a personal experience of suffering. And I think that's what's so cool is when we can take our pain and our struggles and just sometimes hitting rock bottom and triumphing through those stories and creating something from that. And thankfully that was truly my story. So when I was born, I was uh a hell a Hellion, if you will. My parents just God bless them. I put them through so many, so many years of pain and struggles. And we didn't get a lot of people.

Dr Pompa 5:13

Do you think your brain wasn't balanced then?

SPEAKER_01 5:15

For sure not.

Dr Pompa 5:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

For for sure not. Poor, poor parents. And honestly, I grew up in, I didn't have a lot of trauma, right? I grew up in a very stable home. I had a very supportive household. Nothing really chaotic was happening in my environment, but my behavior was so impulsive, so reckless. I actually ended up as I became a teenager and got a little bit more responsibility. I had a car. I got arrested on a number of occasions. I started abusing very excessive drugs and alcohol. Um, and I would get in trouble and then truly do the same thing the day I got ungrounded. And finally, my parents sat me down and they were like, What? Or like, are you thinking before you're acting? It's just such a simple question, right? But I wasn't. There was no thinking happening. I was just acting and figuring out as I got back up and tried to just acting what seemed exciting in the moment. Yeah, totally impulsive. Thankfully, my my mom just really fought and she's like, okay, I'm gonna go figure out if there's a different way to help my daughter. I, for some reason, as a teenage girl, I didn't want to feel reliant on medication for my whole life. And I tried talk therapy, but it just wasn't moving me forward.

Dr Pompa 6:20

So most parents would have just thrown their kid on medication. Your parents had some type of I don't know, knowledge that there's a was another way. I'm not sure if that's part of the story or not.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

That's definitely part of it. I think my mom was already she was the one buying organic foods and looking for alternatives. I had a feeling that was gonna be the case. Yeah. I was the weird one that went to the case. Leave it to the hippie. Leave it to the crunchy moms for sure. And I think too, there's a the a spiritual element. You know, my my uh grandfather was basically Billy Graham's right-hand man. Oh wow. Yeah. And so I think there's something about What was his name? Uh Charlie Riggs. Wow. Yeah. So he did all of the huge um what are they called? Yeah, the big revivals. Why am I forgetting what they're called?

Dr Pompa 7:06

I know. It's not called revival. What is it?

SPEAKER_02 7:07

They're called revivals.

Dr Pompa 7:08

Are they um I almost had it? It's not a revival. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

All of our brains are like, wait, whatever. We'll come back to that. But yeah, so I think Crusades. Crusades. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

And revivals are in crusades.

Dr Pompa 7:20

Someone's brain's working here.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Thank you. Um But yeah, I think I think there was something inside my mom that was like, the Lord is so amazing and so capable of healing people. Like there has to be something else than just having her be reliant on medication. And so to this day, truly, I thank my mom. I give her a big hug. I'm like, thank you so much for just looking for other ways to help me.

Dr Pompa 7:44

Um imagine the outcome if she'd have put you on you know, Ritalin or uh Adderall, all the drugs of the choice today, right? I mean, your life would be horrendous. I mean You'd probably be in jail.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

I I actually really I might think I might be in jail, maybe even dead. I sure as heck wouldn't have a company that was running pretty well. Yeah, I really don't think so. Yeah. So shout out to Loretta, Loretta Ragsdale. Yeah. Um but yeah, so she ended up finding out about this therapy and basically said, Hey, you're gonna go do this brain mapping thing, or you're not gonna go off to college. So took a leap of faith, went and did it. And that's when I had that brain map done, which showed the pattern of bipolar disorder. My frontal cortex, which is right, our decision maker of our brain, was essentially firing a high beta brainwave going really, really, really quickly. So it's almost like a Ferrari with no brain. Oh, like mine. Super. We actually pull that map up.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

But I'm not bipolar, so how does that differentiate?

SPEAKER_01 8:44

So we don't.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

We'll talk about that in a yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

No, you're you don't have a bipolar brainwave pattern. Mine was just like excessive, excessive frontal high beta variable set.

Dr Pompa 8:53

Did we pull hers up?

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Uh, Marilee's? Yeah. For sure. Well, let's keep hearing.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

I'll keep going, but yeah, uh like, oh, your brain's your brain's going. Uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Yeah, you have more like high beta theta, which we'll talk about, and you actually have mostly high beta.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

So you're closer to her problem than I am.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

No, but not, but not in your frontal lobe. Yours is a little bit more in some different areas. So yeah, it definitely matches with just some of your personal goals for sure. Okay. All right. Yeah. See? I told you this would be right. So you you did it. So I did the brain map, and then I did 40 sessions

Rachel’s Bipolar Turning Point
SPEAKER_01 9:25

of neural feedback, which is the therapy that we now specialize in with our clients. And then I did a second brain map after that experience. Not one clinical pattern for bipolar. You could literally see just the clarity that my brain had. Visually, it was so powerful. But even as uh honestly ignorant teenager, I didn't even know how significant it was going to be until you know looking back.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

So you didn't necessarily feel differently, but you were acting differently.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

I did feel different. I don't think I fully even understood how different other people around me could, right? They were like, your daughter is so much more calm. She's so regulated. Wow. My mom even said my voice sounded differently. Like my voice sounded grounded and stable and yeah. How long did that take to get there?

SPEAKER_03 10:08

40 sessions.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

So I did it in an intensive setting, which to be honest, I don't really recommend that. The reason for it is I believe it takes the behavior a little bit of time to catch up with a brain's new ability. So, right, I go off to college after I did all this incredible work. I'm in college. I have all the freedom in the world. There's cute guys running around Baylor University campus, and I'm like, this is fun. So it took me a solid, I'd say, eight months where I would start to do some kind of impulse impulsive stuff again, stay up all night, hang out with people that were partying. But something was different. I would wake up the next day and I'd be like, this is not how I want to feel anymore. And I would drive myself back up to Dallas, do another neurofeedback session, and then drive down.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

Oh, well, so you were asking how long it stuck the f after the first, after the first process, the first part of that that you did.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Well, I think it was more saying like, yeah, how long did the So did you do 40 the sessions? You did 40. Okay, and then six weeks. Yeah, absolutely. In an intensive setting. And then you went to school. But then I probably did a solid 10 sessions over the next eight months.

Dr Pompa 11:11

And by the way, that's one of the things that changed because we you'd have to go to a clinic. Now you're doing most of this virtually. Oh, we have I mean I mean you have clinics.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Yeah, I honestly we still probably see more patients in our clinics, but the remote option has been incredible for people nationwide.

Dr Pompa 11:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

So yeah. But yeah, the neurofeedback truly it it changed my life. I knew before I went to school, I was like, I'm gonna change my major, I'm gonna dedicate my life to this. So I started neuroscience and psych classes right away, and then got my masters and then figured out how to grow and run. And that's amazing. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 11:46

Yeah. I mean, that's a true I mean pain to purpose story, you know, because look how many lives you've changed, which you would never have changed if you didn't go through what you went through. Yeah, no. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

And I'm so great. I truly am so grateful. Yeah. Totally.

SPEAKER_03 11:59

And we always say that God never wastes our pain. Never. Right. And he does use it to help heal a hurting world. And the world is hurting.

Dr Pompa 12:06

Do you have um any of those like patterns? We'll call them patterns, feelings, uh, you know, now, or are you completely?

SPEAKER_01 12:15

You know, that's such a good question.

Dr Pompa 12:16

Because I'm looking for the question, kind of is how much is personality and how much was bad wiring.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Yeah, yeah. I think it I think it's a great question. I and I think they're interconnected, right? Like there, there's our personality and our traits and the way that God has us wired. There's also a a neurological, chemical, hormonal component to our personalities and our DNA and gen genetics and epigenetics and all of it. I'd say I am still a rather I I do seek, I don't want to say like high arousal, but I'm not a afraid of it, right? Like I like, I like to drive my car fast, I like to take risks, I like to ski fast, you know. And so I take ski fasting out, and that's my wife.

Dr Pompa 12:57

Uh if she could ski fast, she would probably ski fast, but she can't.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

But it is, I feel in control of it, right? So I'm I'm making those decisions as if I'm in the driver's seat versus a dysregulated brain that hasn't been trained or maybe, you know, isn't optimized. I believe then you're kind of in the backseat of whatever car you're in.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

Right right now, I'm making those decisions based on my conviction. That's what pulls me back. So it'll be fun to see what happens when this facilitates pulling me back a little bit more.

Dr Pompa 13:26

Because like that's my wife's personality. There's no way she won't be anyone but Marile. Like her name is that, what we just described. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, her also her brain's like over there, over here, over there. I watch her in the morning and it's phone. Phone, Bible, yeah, phone, bible. Yeah. It's like, I mean, like, I'm thinking to myself, how and I don't say a word because this is who she is, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Oh, no, well, he because he can put his nose down and study for hours. Yeah. And he always has been able to do that. It's it's actually, it's actually not good for someone like me to sit next to someone like him because it convicts me that, and it's that's not God convicting me. That's that honestly, that's just the enemy trying to steal my piece, right? And helping me appreciate how God wired me. Yeah. And and yet I'm still trying to figure that out. So I'm very excited and very committed to this because I do, I've never done work on my brain ever.

Dr Pompa 14:18

Whether uh it's you or Angie, we're we're gonna do another show yet. I mean, I I'm so into this topic that this is our second show, right? Literally, we're gonna have a third after we do this. Yeah, yeah, because I I'm really committed to it, you know, for personal reasons. You know, I I definitely have PTSD um from mold exposures, toxic exposures. I had chemical sensitivity, you know. I have emotional trauma. I yeah, from I mean, even dyslexia, right? It's like so I you know, I want to see what it does. I know.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

So it's good to have goals and then have solutions and different ways to reach those goals, right? You all help so many people as well with protocols and education and introspection into what they're struggling with. And I think it's a beautiful, beautiful characteristic when we want to refine ourselves and improve and understand our blind spots.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

Well, and and when you have those blind spots and you don't always know how to navigate them or how to control them, right? Or even what to and not and not that you know, not being able to focus is a blind spot, but it definitely is a limitation. Yeah. And it's a frustration, of course, especially when you have so many other things to offer of value, but you don't know how what to do with them and you don't know how to take the first step to making an impact with it. I mean, that's my frustration. I fortunately he has such a great purpose and a colleague on his life, and I've supported that. So I don't feel you know, I don't feel like I don't have value.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

But I also feel like at this time in life when we've learned so many things from that pain and we've, you know, from pain to purpose to promise, now it's like, all right, Lord, what what more can I offer of value? Because in the pain, there's been so much wisdom that's come through faith and she's writing that book right now.

Dr Pompa 16:03

She's writing our family book of what she just says.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

And it's and it's really and this is why you want to sit down and be able to hyperfocus. That's for that position.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Absolutely. Like I want to be able to sit down and I and I and sometimes I think can I recall things that I've pushed away and and I'm hoping and I you mean in the hurts? Um, just just in life in general, not even realizing my my childhood was very lonely. So not even realizing I wasn't, I'm not one of those people, I'm not a victim. So I'm not like, let's get that out there right now. I don't walk around saying, you know, definitely not poor me. You know, I I'm looking, I in fact, that really bothers me when people have had a hard time and yet they're always looking at how the world owes them something. It's like, no, go make it happen. Go figure it out, you know, and and you and honestly, the fastest path to that end is trusting him for that direction. And and that's what we all know is true. But I also realize that in in through that journey and that loneliness, because my needs weren't met, things happen. Things, whether, whether it's in my brain, whether it's in my heart, whatever it is. And now I'm reflecting and having to write about some of these things. Fortunately, I have a woman that is prompting me to think on whatever it is that I'm to think on as I'm writing. And when she comes back to me and says, wow, that was amazing, but could you develop this a little bit more? I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, first of all, why would anybody care to hear more about that? Secondly, that's all I've got. You know, like I really don't have more to offer. So you're saying that it's in the So maybe, maybe, maybe not. Maybe that was, you know, I I just don't know. I think kids do things without we have we're unconscious in what we put in, you know, storage boxes in our brain that we've set on fire or what we've allowed to just be there for retrieval. And it seems like for me, I I think I've I've retrieved a lot of it, but not maybe not a moment in time necessarily on certain topics. So I don't know why that is, but it's interesting. I'll be interested to see because I am writing.

Dr Pompa 18:04

And as I'm writing, well, I guess the question is is will she be able to access more of basically information that was stuffed?

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Well, I was studying, I was studying their brains on the flight coming in here just because I've never met you all, which is crazy. I feel like we've talked for so long, but we just haven't met in person. And so until you really see someone, I can read a few symptoms and goals you want to work on, but now your story is coming to life a little bit. Right. Um, and what I like to do when I'm looking at a brain map is just look at the brain map and start to think probably what they're struggling with, right? And so I don't look at symptomology, I don't look at goals, symptoms, history, medication, any of that before I just look at the brain map. So Marrily has,

When Change Finally Sticks
SPEAKER_01 18:46

and I'm okay to talk about your Yeah, you are Marilee has some excess production of theta, which is the second to slowest brainwave. Now, that doesn't mean slow like bad, okay? It's just a slower rhythm of a brainwave that is typically produced when there is high levels of trauma from the past, right? So what happens when we're girls growing up and we don't have a super safe or comfortable or walking on eggshells. Sometimes, right, our brain, the only way to protect ourselves is for our brain to kind of go into a state of dissociation, which is a theta state, right? Theta is I feel calm, I feel creative, I feel relaxed. You're kind of in your head. Yeah. It's actually more of a clinical pattern for ADHD, actually. I have that too, I think. That is really what your brain map shows me. Yes. Yeah. Um, but that is that is the very thing that can protect you from trauma going forward, but it does make you block out a lot of memories. Now, a lot of clients actually ask, they don't want to dig up Pandora's box, right? They're like, if I start doing brain training, am I gonna have these memories that I've suppressed? Not necessarily, like not intentionally. Yes, this is what's gonna happen. But if you were to say, I want to work on trauma and I wanna maybe see if I can increase what happened, like from a from a long-term memory standpoint, then we could train some specific long-term memory standpoints and try to make flex-I totally want to do that.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

I'm I'm all in. I mean, I've been with different counselors, different therapies for the last 14 years, and quite honestly at every turn, I I can look back and say, I needed that. And I've become very comfortable with who I am in it. Like I'm I'm not, I have first of all, I'm just a I'm an open book anyway. But I realize that there is no way to it but through it, first of all. Like you aren't going to get to the other side of your pain and trauma unless you deal with it and understand it and not not necessarily understand it in that why did it happen to me, but accept that it happened to you and overcome it through, obviously, for me, it's it's knowing that God wants me to be who He created me to be. He wants me to function in my true sense of identity. And I am not going to be able to do that with these parts of my brain that aren't functioning well. And I know that too. So I'm this is it's even more encouraging for me because I said like this morning, I watched Charles Stanley, which was great. And um, so I like, I'm like, okay, that's how I'll get my religion or my, you know, my Bible study in in the morning. I'll sit with, I'll start there at least, right? And and that is that's been that's exciting for me. Just to be able to know that, okay, I can hear God's word. I can, in fact, my brain, I'll start like drifting.

Dr Pompa 21:32

You would watch it while you were doing that.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

Now they have uh uh options of what topics you want to watch. Right.

Dr Pompa 21:37

Yeah, we'll get into how it all works.

SPEAKER_03 21:39

Yeah, because I really think that for me, I mean, of course, I I went to Charles Stanley's church. That was our church in Atlanta. And it it I so he is the reason, honestly. I believe God put us in that church. We went to church with our Bible, a pen, a highlighter, and a notebook. And our foundation for faith and Christianity was laid. with such a solid we're we're just so grounded, such discernment, such truth that we live our lives by because of his teaching. So it's so fun for me to have seen him and go, oh my gosh, like all over again. But yes, I think that what God has for all of us is what you know we don't we want to trust in the right modalities. And there's a lot of crap out there. There's a lot of woo-woo. I'm not woo-woo. I'm I'm adversed to woo-woo. So I love that this is so based on just science. Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Well that's a loose term right now, but you know what I mean. Yeah. True science. You know, I feel like too it's interesting. We work with a lot of pastors

Personality Versus Brain Wiring
SPEAKER_01 22:43

and people in ministry and stuff. And I think sometimes people of faith, right, it's like just pray harder, trust God. Well, there's shame almost around you're not doing things like brain training. Maybe maybe therapy, right? Maybe therapy, but training your brain, you know, peptides like no way. Yeah. And it's so cool getting to work with some of these pastors because I look at neurofeedback, it's just a catalyst to do God's work, right? Like God gave us these tools to help the brain learn.

Dr Pompa 23:11

It's really just basic the basic foundation humans learn is through by the way it works, they accept that is how the brain gets patterned for the negative, meaning it's a reward system. Yeah. Right? You know, people get addicted to drugs, it's a reward system. It's like so whether you like it or not, your brain learns and patterns and wires the exact same way. You gave the example earlier we teach our dog to sit. It's a reward system and it makes a pattern. So when you say the word sit, boom, it's a pattern. That's how the system works, am I right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

It seems complicated because we're dealing with electrodes and technology and hardware and headbands. But if we simplify that that's truly just the system so that we can see brain waves, right? Because we can't see the interior of our skull. But if we're able to just put some electrodes on the head so we can see brain waves, then we're able to set these thresholds to say, okay, Marilee we want to train and encourage or reward the brain to produce less theta because you're getting stuck in it. And that's what's creating fogginess or distractibility or kind of dissociation. So if we know that the brain needs to produce a little bit less of it, then we reward the brain with like you were saying, the auditory and visual feedback over and over and over so that was set up for her.

Dr Pompa 24:27

So in other words, her right now we're talking about beta increased theta, right? Which could be from the trauma from child most likely it is. So then when she's doing this it's how how is it set up that it's going to be bringing that theta down?

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Aaron Ross Powell Yes. So let's take an example of then what can she expect from that?

Dr Pompa 24:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Yes. So Marilee comes in, we want to train theta down because maybe her micro voltage of theta is too high. Maybe your high beta which is a stress fight or flight anxiety brainwave. That's why we mentioned that high beta and theta those are your two that we want to bring down. And maybe we want to bring up a little bit of low beta okay because that's our clean, crisp, motivated energy. Okay. So let's say those are the three brainwaves that we primarily want to focus on first. In our computer software system on our clinical dashboard, what we've then done is set your custom protocols because your high beta might be a completely different protocol than your husband's high beta. Maybe his is 20 microvolts and maybe yours is 30. But if ultimately the goal for both of you guys is a range of 10 to 15, 20 or 35 isn't ideal. But so let's say for you yours is 35 microvolts of high beta. Well you cannot expect your brain to go from 35 to 10 with conscious thought. There's just no way to do that. But you can get your brain to maybe produce 30 microvolts. So we're going to see all these beautiful brain waves pop up on the screen. You're going to pick some sort of video. So let's say you're watching that podcast or a YouTube or a sermon or something like that. So right when your brain hits that 30 microvolts with its high beta brainwave, the video and the sound start to play on your app. Now you're not sitting there thinking, good job high beta brainwave you hit 30 microvolts. No, this is not a very cerebral logical experience. Just like a dog when they're learning how to sit isn't thinking through this, right? They're just creating a connection with the word sit and the reward. So your brain just saw something happen on the screen. So it experienced something novel. Now all of a sudden your brain's going to go back to 35 because that's its default mode. That's what it knows how to do. Right. When it does that the video and sound go away or start to get really low in volume and not very clear on the screen. What that does right is it signifies to your brain hey that now you're not getting the reward. And your brain then wants to make an autocorrection with its activity and it's so cool. What we get to see right is your brain make an adjustment.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

So is that why it gets like dull and it you're literally controlling. Yeah I thought it was just my reception. Which I guess it kind of is kind of my reception.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

Yeah but it's a reception or not. So we can't sit there and be like giving you pieces of filet mignon every time your brain does what we want it to do, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:09

But the app can provide that video and I start tapping the screen like leaning in and turning up the volume. Oh yeah I'm doing it all. So you see that too obviously you see that I can I'm messing with it of trying to okay interesting. So I don't need to do anything then. Now the other thing I noticed is you know obviously you're supposed to sit still and I I have for the most part still I'm watching it. Yeah I know it's yeah it's it's right on my computer screen I put the phone on the struggle sitting still a little bit you're probably just like oh yeah 20 minutes. I keep tapping the screen how much time is left? I mean I do do that. Oh yeah because I think it'll get better though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

That's gonna that's gonna be something you're actually going to notice. You're gonna notice I guarantee you in like six weeks let's say let's say six weeks you're gonna sit for 20 minutes and you're gonna be calm and you're gonna be saying the whole heart like how like I could do 30 minutes. That's what you're gonna start to notice. Your behavior will change because your brain isn't gonna be in that state of fight I can't wait.

SPEAKER_03 28:05

That is I mean that that alone is reason to keep pressing forward. I mean there's many other reasons but yeah great.

Dr Pompa 28:12

Yeah okay fantastic I wonder what that Marilee is going to be like fight more.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

I'm like gosh I like the old one back well then you'll just call me be like I don't know give it back bring the theta back so well you know we've all tone down the beta.

SPEAKER_03 28:27

We he'll you'll be doing yours also. So that's all right so okay I think it's three to five times

Theta, Trauma, And Dissociation
SPEAKER_03 28:33

a week is that what's recommended?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

I feel like for individuals like ourselves that are flying 100 miles per hour try try to do three. If you can get in four to five great it's just gonna you're gonna see that training happen quicker. I feel like three times a week is more manageable for people and then that will give you enough repetition to get what we need.

Dr Pompa 28:51

That's I mean that's that's the important so what else did you see with this one?

SPEAKER_01 28:56

So yes theta theta beta ratio okay so not enough low beta per theta and I'm sure Angie talked about this because we love talking about ADHD but ADHD is very misunderstood. Most people think ADHD is just super fast, all overactive brain pattern. Actually ADHD in its most common brain wave pattern is too much theta not enough beta which is why you then insert a stimulant okay because you're pushing down a slow wave temporarily increasing a low beta brain wave which is now going to get it she's always looking for stimulants right coffee at four four o'clock tired she just wants her brain to work. Yeah you just have so much theta so you love that feeling of beta right yeah I do. So definitely we really want to help your brain get out of that theta state shift into beta right and then we do need to bring down some high beta that's going to be the anxiety fear overthinking ruminating catastrophizing emotional reactivity.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

Yeah I have all that minus anxiety I'm not more high stress I'm not anxious I'm just yeah I'm just could be like vigilant tight. I'm actually pretty laid back I mean I I mean in general like I'm I take things in stride I mean for the most part it's just with me like I can I can ruminate on my own stuff and I don't even I don't even know what it is, right? I don't even know what it is. It's just I always say I was raised by hypochondriac so they can't she's she's a bit of a hypochondriac. Not a bit and and it's it only comes it comes in waves it's not constant. It's true. Which is odd.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

And I know I know the root of it but I of course I'm hoping that I would want to look at it's called your midline so it's this area in the middle of your head or your cingulate and if it has an overproduction of a certain brainwave that can create a little bit of compulsivity rigidness OCD type symptoms so she she'll literally like focus on the silliest thing and think it's cancer and it's going to take her life away.

Dr Pompa 30:53

I mean Well I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Well actually both of you do you guys remember this because you guys went over your brain map with Angie I believe you guys both have a fast processing speed.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Yeah we we both of you. Yeah we got our brains mapped and then we went over it right on the phone.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Yeah Zoom or something so it's probably been a while but so we're talking about speeds right now okay all cars can go different speeds you can take a Kia and you can take a super fast BMW they can both go 30 miles an hour they can both go 80 miles an hour.

Dr Pompa 31:24

Very different experience of a drive right they can both go 120 miles an hour.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Well yeah maybe maybe not I don't think the key is maybe not yeah well so think of just the analogy more of like they can go different speeds very different engine capabilities, right? So fast processors or peak alpha is associated with people that can process information quicker aka their engines have more capability. Both of you all have really fast kind of souped up engine capability which is great. This is why you guys are both very successful, very smart, can outwork and outthink and out um you know travel agency anyone really quick because you can just do things probably quicker, better, faster and more efficiently more efficiently. And sometimes it's frustrating working with people that aren't up to my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

He has a saying like we both do like incompetence is everywhere. Right?

SPEAKER_01 32:20

Like it's just incompetence.

Dr Pompa 32:22

I do understand I've come to the conclusion lately that he has you have a question. What's the question? I always say is yeah I say it you know am I just really smart or is the world really that dumb and and I I always walk away going I'm not that smart. I think they're processing really badly I mean it I really mean it's so it's there's no arrogance here. I'm like what is going on with the people right?

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Well I think everyone's on some sort of drugs or something who knows but in in your both of y'all's credit and you can since you're not saying about yourself, I'm saying it you guys both do have what would be reflected as high intellectual capability or it's associated with IQ, which is good.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

Yeah that's evident because our our kids are super smart. I mean they really are they are our kids are so smart. That's sad for me because I also had high lead I never I didn't like to learn and study and I there's things I didn't learn but I've also overcompensated in other ways. So again I don't feel less about myself but I wish that I had tapped into my capability fully because I I think that would I probably would have found my purpose and it might have been very different obviously much earlier in life you're tapping in.

Dr Pompa 33:37

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

So I'm I'm excited because of course we all know right that all things work together for good to those who are called and um and who God has called according to his purpose. So I'm I'm Romans 828 that's our our our family's mantra so I'm I'm I'm I'll be one of those right I'll I guess I'm going to have to hit that last season of life right that last chapter to really fully get there's gonna live a long time that's okay.

Dr Pompa 34:06

Her cellular age is that's okay really good. So that said unless I get hit by a truck or something that would be that would be traumatize him for his life.

SPEAKER_03 34:18

Let me tell you part of my trauma just so you know I mean I'm sure where everybody is ever ever everyone knows this right he has a lot to do with that. I mean I've I've lived different seasons of trauma differently and I and and thankfully I'm really referencing my sickness which is I mean when you're you know it's differently traumatizing for the loved one.

Dr Pompa 34:39

Of course it really is.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

So and I don't hold it against him. I'm just grateful that I've been adaptable like honestly I think I was preconditioned because of my childhood with stuff that I set up those patterns of you know thinking or non-thinking or compartmentalizing it or whatever you do to protect yourself.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

And it so when he'd be falling apart, I could be like okay let's go like I I could rally random fact and connection here the majority of first responders, we work with thousands of first responders is a huge part of the population that we serve. Oh wow guess what they have a lot of theta almost all of them and why it makes them an incredible responder. So when they're hit with a lot of stress or crisis or caretaking or I have to show up they can do it really well, right? Because their theta keeps them at bay um without getting super overactive. So it's interesting some of the r responders that maybe have to be pulled offline or not doing super well with their job because of the trauma and the PTSD and the lack of sleep they don't actually have as much theta production naturally to shift into to keep them calm in those really chaotic moments. So I totally can see why you showed up for him super well because your brain allowed you to do that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:55

Yeah it's still a mystery but God had a plan there too. Yeah no it's great. It's interesting it's very it's fascinating. Yeah. I I'm not I'm not used to you doing that.

Dr Pompa 36:07

Yeah yeah

How Neurofeedback Rewards The Brain
Dr Pompa 36:08

I just I thought we scraped it all off here I mean it's like you know I think so did we miss anything here?

SPEAKER_01 36:14

I mean we could talk for an hour per per brain map but I think the main things over production of theta which is again dissociation, distractibility, squirrel brain not gonna set you up to sit down and focus like you want we need to increase some low beta get your brain to cruise on the highway going 60 miles an hour getting your book done you know being able to sit still like your sankitas which by the way you have really good amounts of low beta. So we'll talk about that. And then put bringing down that high beta for you you actually don't have a ton of theta um a little bit in a little bit in your frontal lobe and it's actually most dominant on your left hemisphere, which maybe there's some dyslexia learning, reading I couldn't read for years. So that that would be some of that left hemisphere I still can't spell yeah yeah that makes sense. So we definitely want to your theta's not too high like hers is but you have you have it I don't want to say in the wrong location but in a location most dominantly where it's not serving you if that makes sense.

Dr Pompa 37:22

Yeah and I have trauma from dyslexia. I mean you if you can't read you think you're stupid right so you grow up like that until it wasn't until years later that I realized it's my superpower. You know it's like I thought everyone could just read things and remember everything where it was in a book. I mean you know I have like a photographic memory like that but I didn't know that because I thought everyone could do that and I, you know, learned it later. But yeah I mean I always say every bad behavior as an adult comes out of my insecurity for my dyslexia. And I'm watching my son go through it right now. You know it's like he's 22 years old and my conversation with him yesterday was like listen wait for it. Like you don't even know who you are yet. It's like you know he was like yeah well I you know I didn't finish school I'm like none of that matters. I said you have a special place in your brain that's superpower. You just don't know what it is yet.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

He actually believes that he just he just is waiting for it to show up and he's he's quite impatient.

Dr Pompa 38:18

Yeah anyway so yeah so that's that what you saw there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

So that would be a little bit of the theta and I'm doing this off of memory. So and then you have really good low beta production which is definitely going to serve you. So low beta is going to make you motivated successful can sit down and dial in and super focus on certain things. Oh yeah you can which is a really great thing. Uh low beta also I feel like allows a level of resiliency. So when trauma happens, when illnesses happen, when you have that good amount of beta to pull from you can can tend to just be a little bit more resilient. You're gonna want to overcome things you're gonna want to you know get back up and pick yourself back up. Not that you didn't do that but he has a little bit of a different brainwave to allow you to do that if that makes sense. And then you do have high beta not as much as her again. So you win on theta and high beta high beta where yours is you have a little bit more on your right side which can create some like muscle tension. Do you um ever have like TMJ by any chance?

Dr Pompa 39:20

Never but I I tend to definitely like I tend to like especially clench. Yeah clench. Okay so you do have some kind of muscle tension and then I find myself clenching during the day.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

Okay.

Dr Pompa 39:35

You know it's like which is weird.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

So we'll have clients we'll have clients it's so interesting they'll say I get massages I do uh different trigger point therapies and like nothing will touch it and then they do neuro and all of a sudden right all the time I mean I don't have any tension or like clicking or nothing but I do find myself I'd just be a stress response a little bit of a stress response.

SPEAKER_03 39:58

Exactly Danny's really good in um in emergency situations right which is probably what you're referring to like when our kids have had major I mean we've had some major stuff happen and when they've when you know I have to run home and poop and then he has and he just goes into his mode. And I I mean it's just the way it is I my fight or flight just takes over. So and that is my anytime I get really stressed that's my first I literally have to poop. I go into figure yeah she goes so it's seriously sympathetic like and he's he's on like he's just on and thank God that he does that right because I can't I could can't we've had so many of our friends choking to death oh yeah he's saved two lives oh and he almost and then he he gave CPR to a woman on an airplane for 45 minutes and she that was that was something else but he he's very good in in those emergency situations.

Dr Pompa 40:54

Yeah it's quite impressive calm under fire.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

I don't know what part of the brain that is but it's interesting just basis just your brain map right you you respond with that good theta so you can kind of just dissociate and it's like here we go time to solve the problem yeah yours is more like task oriented I have a job I got to get something done I got to accomplish I have to help so it actually you're probably shifting into a different brain state still yielding I'm able to actually like okay what do I have to do to blah blah blah the fix the problem right there.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

I think yours might just be like I got this I'm an overcomer in my attitude he's not he's an overcomer with his actions that that know what I mean. And like and and so he'll get really like down about something and I'm like it's going to be fine and he gets really annoyed by my attitude right because I'm like look this is it's but but he does everything that mets out that it's going to be fine to right he he goes into action he knows he's not going to he's not going to well I think that's it because she's like it's gonna be fine it's gonna be fine.

Dr Pompa 41:56

And what I want to say is it'll be fine because I have to make it fine.

SPEAKER_03 41:59

Right.

Dr Pompa 41:59

If you don't I'm the fixer it's like it's only gonna be the tail is between his legs well at least doing it.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

It sounds like myself and my husband he's like a TV exactly you have no idea what this pressure feels like and I'm like thank god I don't know if the dog has diarrhea I gotta figure it out. But you have no idea what it feels like to support you know as you have your tail between your legs and you are going forward right like I guess it's a good balance. Yeah it's a great balance right so it's it's fun it's gonna be fun to see like how our brains thank God we're both doing this.

Dr Pompa 42:32

Yeah but what if we're all gonna be out of balance I mean there's a button to press for that too I'm sure no it'll be bring my data back.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

Oh my gosh it's well and actually so to wrap yours up you do also need two things. You probably need a little bit more alpha. So you have fast alpha from a speed standpoint, but you don't have a lot of what's called background alpha, which can kind of allow you to feel like peaceful and present as well as you could. So again it's hard when we're really driven, we have a lot going on, we have a lot of motivation and drive to be successful to how how do we slow down and really actually step into that sense.

Dr Pompa 43:15

That

Why ADHD Is Misunderstood
Dr Pompa 43:16

makes so much sense to me because I'm a very high level problem solver, but I look for problems to solve. You know, because I want just to sit with peace. Yeah okay but it's like whereas she can't sit and focus I can sit and focus but I I'll sit and focus on a problem. You know I mean like I'll I'll sit there and just I'm just so if he can't think of one he walks around the house and finds one.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

I I will he does every day.

Dr Pompa 43:39

Because my brain feels like that like you know our fountain breaks I'll sit she thinks I'm just sitting there like no oh no I'm I'm figuring out how to fix the problem. I'm figuring out where the leak is and how to fix it won't stop.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 43:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Which is going back to both of y'all's fast processing speeds because fast processing imagine an engine That's stuck in neutral. And that's what it feels like when our brain isn't going to the action. And maybe we don't know what the action needs to be yet, right? So our brain kind of loops in neutral, if you will. Um, but it can feel ruminating, catastrophizing, worrying, thinking about, you know, yeah, all the different things that this is gonna ripple affect. That's that process.

Dr Pompa 44:20

You know, I had to stop working with people individually because I would think about their problem more than them. I mean, matter of fact, it pissed me off because I would be like, I'm trying to solve this more than you. I I try to solve her problems more than her. Right? It's like like because I my brain just won't, I mean, I'll focus on it, focus on it, but and I take it on. And I because I'm once people are sick, I know what that feels like. I will do everything I can in my thought, if you know, my brain to fix that problem to where I'm thinking about it before bed, thinking about it if I wake up, thinking about it when I get up, thinking about it during the day. So I literally, if I had like cases going on, I I I would go out of my mind. It was traumatic for me. I'm sure. I I then my son doesn't didn't I could never understand that. Like now I've scaled a program where it's like doctor, coaches, you know, it's like where I have other people doing what I'm good with that. Yeah. But when I connect to a problem, I don't let go, man. I'm like a dog with a bone. But it's it's not good healthy for me. So is that how do we that's gonna come down? I want to hear that it's gonna come down. I mean, I want to hear that I'm gonna be able to actually sit with peace and not have to solve the world.

SPEAKER_03 45:29

Yeah, you don't you don't have peace. That is what I was listening to. Actually, the topic that Charles Stanley was talking about this morning was personal peace. And I I was gonna have you listen to it because that's like that's some it is as I mean, because Danny has tremendous faith. He has an amazing relationship with God. I'm I'm envious of it, actually. It's beautiful, and I'm grateful for it. I have a different, I we meant we exhibit our faith, you know, our foundation of our faith differently. But um it's so it he was talking about that peace and how and the things that happen in our lives or that we can allow to manifest into our lives and how that takes our peace. And I thought, gosh, you know, that's like as you have everything right. If you got that, like you would really, I think, have the joy that God wants for you. And that's what's missing is is is the joy.

Dr Pompa 46:22

Yeah, dang it.

SPEAKER_03 46:23

I mean, I I mean she's right.

Dr Pompa 46:24

And you know, you're right. I you know, I'm saying, yeah, I I do. I want to be able to I pray for peace in my latter years. I do.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

You've been praying for it for 30 years.

Dr Pompa 46:35

Yeah, I mean, this, dang it, this is gonna be it. Because I just I yeah, I just want to have that peace, right? And it's like I'm not a nervous person. Not at all. I'm not an anxious person. I'm not like that, but it's the that thought that I'm just it's not peaceful. Yeah, it's not.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

And it's and it's and it's not. And it and it and it's I'm okay with the I'm grateful that I don't have that problem. But on the flip side of that, how much better would our dynamic be if I could see him experiencing all the goodness that that you deserve to have, that you really have. You just haven't tapped into it. You know, you really have it.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

But that's well, no pressure, no pressure on brain code, fix the pompas. Yeah. They're gonna be perfect. Um, but I do think if you had more alpha, alpha allows your brain to feel peace and

High Beta, Alpha, And Peace
SPEAKER_01 47:24

allows your brain to feel present. And you don't have a lot of background alpha. So you're kind of expecting yourself to experience something that your brain's not doing.

Dr Pompa 47:32

Check out my code, make sure they're they're pushing that alpha up. You will.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

And you need we need to bring high beta down too. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 47:38

So it's gonna be like fear response and overthinking and well, I think my high beta beta, tell me if I'm wrong, comes from my my fear of getting like going back to when I was sick. I have great fear.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Well, we don't know. I don't know what your brain looks like before you got sick. So it's like, did you already have some preexisting high beta? Probably.

Dr Pompa 47:57

But that's like where I have fear. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I don't have fear like of a lake. We have a fear of a leak. That's that's the point. Oh, it's because it's all connected to that. It makes me feel badly really quick, right? So I have fear of that stuff, right? I do.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

So Which, as you know, we're all in the wellness field. It's like there's such a balance between you know, being intentional about our water and we have to travel all the time. How do we set up our environment perfectly if we're in a hotel room and on an airplane and all these things? And so, what where really is the harmony between controlling our environment without letting it consume us cognitively? It's tough.

Dr Pompa 48:32

It's very tough because I my environment made me sick. I know. It was part of my my sickness, high heavy metals too. You know what I'm saying? But the environment, it was a perfect storm. Yeah. And it's like so, and I've been in other environments where I mean I can be go from perfectly like I feel now, get into a moldy hotel room and go from zero to sixty, like three minutes. Yeah, like three minutes. Not good. I mean, like, like almost. And the day's ruined, right? Like my brain just goes, boom. And you know, so I mean I lived life that way for a long time, and it was no way. I always said, I I don't fear dying. I fear going back and living like that again. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Dying's no problem, I know where I'm going. I you know, no problem with that. But going back and living like that, or feeling that moment that I feel when I get into a mold experience. Oh no, no, no, no. It's trapping, yeah, for sure.

unknown 49:23

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 49:24

Can't do it. Yeah. So therefore, controlling my environment, right? And then then my brain kicks in, you know, to where it's like solving, solving, solving, solving problem, maybe, maybe, you know, enjoy life. We gotta fix this.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

Yes.

Dr Pompa 49:41

This, yes, this. And by the way, I think I I like, you know, I focus on other people's problems because, you know, it's like, okay, I need to keep my brain figuring something out. You know, people are like, wow, how did you figure that out? You might feel a little bit more 14 hours of thought. That's how I figured that out.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

You might feel a little better about yourself when you start looking at everybody else's problems, right? Like, oh, mine aren't so bad.

Dr Pompa 50:01

I I think I do that too.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

Yeah, I think we all do that.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Upward and downward comparison. Oh, probably not good either way.

Dr Pompa 50:08

We've we've stressed her out now. Look at this.

SPEAKER_03 50:10

No, I want I want to map Simon and Isaac, though.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

Yeah. Yeah. I think I met one of your remember I met one of your sons at Olivia's house.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

Oh, Dylan. You met her twin. Oh, twin. He probably didn't want his brain mapped. He was it as much as anyone as anybody.

Dr Pompa 50:26

Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

Shout out Olivia. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 50:29

Are you doing with Olivia? Oh, thank God. Okay. I say that for her. Our kids all need their brains mapped.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

I mean, that's I mean, you know, we've had a you know, we've had a lot of trauma in our family.

Dr Pompa 50:39

I mean, we were, you know, most of us were sick. We all were sick.

SPEAKER_03 50:42

We all have a different story within the trauma.

Dr Pompa 50:44

We are all sick. We all you know served this mission in some way. You know, we all went through, you know, we took on Olivia and Dylan, the twins. They lost their parents at age seven tragically. We inherited two kids. We just had a baby. It's like so we went from two kids to five in six weeks. I just wasn't even well yet. I was better, but not well. I imagine that. I so we were we we were all traumatized and we when we traumatized each other. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 51:12

Yeah, but see, at least people are aware.

Dr Pompa 51:14

Where's that on my brain scan? I want to know where that part is on my brain scan.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

It's interesting, yeah, with yours, because I think I'd have to know more about yeah, how you showed up during that time. I think probably if I were just a guest, basis your brain map, you went into the same mode you've been talking about. All right, task mode, let's get it done. Now I have five responsibilities. And merely over here was probably just like, what in the world?

Dr Pompa 51:38

Swimming in things. Most of my my a lot of my efforts were like made things worse too, right? You know, I mean, but I was trying to fix the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 51:45

Even just your just your approach in it, right? You were just committed. Well, because there's so much, there's so much years to communicate. But you felt bad for yourself also. Like all at the same time.

Dr Pompa 51:55

Yeah, because I'm the one trying to fix it, you know, and I was good at that.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

And when he was sick, even before we got the kids, you know, he'd wake up some mornings. I mean, I mean, every day was a new day. Like he could wake up like really like okay, or he could wake up really not okay. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 52:10

Probably when I was sick, who knows?

SPEAKER_03 52:12

He would say to me, like, I can't go to work today as I'm pushing him out the door, because that was like the only peace I was going to get in my day was when he wasn't there. And you know, and he had a a very high volume practice. His patients like loved him. He, you know, didn't want them to to under they couldn't understand. I hid my sickness. So he had to keep himself,

Mold, Hypervigilance, And Rewiring
SPEAKER_03 52:33

yeah. He had to put a facade.

Dr Pompa 52:34

I even hid it from my family, not this my in-house family knew what was going on. Yeah. Even my kids today, uh, you know, they they yeah, they know.

SPEAKER_03 52:44

Yeah, they all know that we've all been traumatized. But it's it, they also we've also been we've also, I think, be been very resilient and we've been really faithful because God, we knew God would show up. I mean, our kids, that's all they heard. I mean, that's all they heard from me, and that's all they heard from you, even though you didn't feel well because you were the one that was challenged and sick. But they, you know, but we were, I mean, we were trusting God all the way, and we did, and we still do. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 53:12

And look, you know, I I believe, you know, here we are, right? It's like, because when I I knowing this technology, I like, I knew like, okay, this is like what we need, right? It's like this is what we need. So many people need it. But uh, you know, so being open about our struggles and our I hope it helps I other people, right? Because I think everyone has their version, right? But man, I can't wait to do the third. Another piece of the puzzle. You know, I can't. I can't wait because I really believe this is, you know, uh, an answer to what so many people are dealing with.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 53:46

You know, this reminds me of like, you know, I I deal with getting neurotoxins out of people. That's what made me sick, right? Pain to purpose. It's like, but you know, the there's certain things, patterns that your body through trauma, whether physical, chemical, or emotional, wires in. And this is about rewiring that.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 54:06

You know, and it's like, and I I watch so many people that I go, okay, you're physically so they have energy again. They're you know, they can go through I'm sleeping again, this and that. It's like, but and the but is, yeah, well, your brain's wired that way, and you gotta you have to fix that. And that's always what I'm saying to people.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

This is why I love, I mean, we stay in our lane of just brain mapping and neural feedback and and the counseling side of things, but I love the the functional, the optimizing hormones, the making sure cellularly everything's working really well, because I'm the same. Like people might come to us and we get them 60% better. And I'm like, you now now is your time to go do that functional work that you've needed to, because you have to have both pieces of things.

Dr Pompa 54:50

Yeah, these two things really play off each other. You know, you have to understand when I got well, I again I had energy. Again, I I could function again. However, you know, we we kind of already stated it. If if I was in a a car with a Christmas tree, right? That's this fragrance, I would go from like again, 60 to zero. You know, meaning I'd be like, I'm brain, I can't even think. I might as well just go home and go to bed and suck my thumb because I'm useless. I I go from this high functioning brain as you described, to like, you know, I go I went from a Ferrari to a fiat, like with one sniff. Like I can't live, I couldn't live like that. I I became almost unfunctional in society, you know, because uh perfume, this, that, like I can handle that load. Now, if you kept me in a room with a Christmas tree, I'm gonna get brain fogged. But I think everyone does and they just don't know what it is. You know, but you know, that's um that type of trauma, you know, I had to rewire just based on my own thoughts. Um how much faster would it have been with this?

SPEAKER_01 55:54

Yeah, we'll expedite that for you.

Dr Pompa 55:56

All right. Well, first of all, how

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Dr Pompa 55:58

do they find you?

SPEAKER_01 55:59

Yes, braincoatcenters.com, follow us on Instagram, and we love doing just complimentary one-on-one consultations. So just like you so passionate about sharing the education and taking a deeper dive into what this is, hearing a little bit about their story so we can really educate them on what next best steps are.

Dr Pompa 56:18

Yeah. I I really hope people take advantage of that because I I I can almost make the statement that everybody needs it. You know, but when you make statements like that, then it almost devalues it. But it shouldn't. It's like because I'm telling you, I deal with uh neurotoxic brain trauma. It's like this is uh trauma, it's like a toxin when your brain is you know not balanced. 100%. So share the show, you know how many people need it. Share it, like it, spread the word because you have an answer.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

Well, thank you both so much.

Dr Pompa 56:58

Thanks for being here. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, thank you. And stay tuned for three the third show. Matter of fact, go back and watch. We'll put the link in somehow. Go back and watch the first show that we did with your partner because it was also great. And you'll kind of build a whole foundation of this type of brain work. Yep. Awesome. See you on the next one.