WHAT VAPING, WEED & ZYNS DO TO THE TEEN BRAIN DOC + HIS SONS TELL ALL

Why Nicotine Is Trending

Dr Pompa 0:00

All the rage about nicotine right now. Look, right now, I know you'd agree with this. Alcohol's not cool, but nicotine is what's in right now from everything from fixing spike protein to fixing your brain, hormones, you name it, nicotine is a hero. Well, what flipped, right? It used to be the other way around. Okay, but this show is about is nicotine worth all the hype? Or is there still dangers to nicotine? When is it good? When is it really bad? What are the pitfalls? All right, well, you're gonna hear the truth on this show, and you're going to meet my two youngest sons, um, and you're gonna hear a story that I think your kids are going to want to hear, and probably even yourself. Okay, look, let's start right from the top. I am going to tell you that I have some real concerns about the nicotine craze right now, and you'll hear that. But I do want to say that there could be some benefits in spike protein removal. Okay, COVID. You heard that people that smoked and uh used nicotine didn't get COVID. Okay, well, that's not really the complete truth. However, do I agree that nicotine could play some role in moving out spike proteins out of the body? I agree with that because there are nicotine receptors in and throughout your body. There is no doubt about that. And it has been shown that spike proteins can absolutely utilize those receptors, make their way to those receptors, and nicotine can be used to chase out the spike proteins within a protocol. Matter of fact, I can say this: uh, we have protocols that utilize low dose nicotine. You're talking two to three milligrams from typically a transdermal patch for no more than 14 days. Why? Because it brings up problem number one that I have with nicotine is that it is one of the most addictive drugs known to man, one of the hardest to get off, and you're gonna hear one of my son's stories in a moment. But if you stick to under 14 days, you can actually uh avoid a physiological addiction. Now, that's for the majority. There are people out there that just like alcohol, with one drink, they could be re-addicted and have an issue. And I would argue the same for nicotine. With just one or two uses, they could get um re-addicted just like that. Let me tell you a story. Um, we were at a friend of ours restaurant, and we were at a group of people at the table, and the one gentleman had one of these drops, and they were passing it around. Well, there was nicotine in the drop, so I don't ever do those drops. And he was passing it around, and the gentleman who owned the restaurant asked the question, Oh, what is that? And he said, Oh, you take it, you'll love it. It gives you energy, it's good for your brain, et cetera. Is there nicotine in it? He asked the question. And he said, No. Looked at the label. I looked at the label, I didn't see nicotine. No, nope, no nicotine. Well, he did the drops. We didn't see him the rest of the night. He went back into the restaurant. Well, some weeks later, we saw him and he said, That stuff that your friend had, well, it had nicotine in it. Even though it didn't say it on the bottle, and he was right, it ended up having nicotine in it. But he said this with tears in his eyes that I'm addicted to nicotine again. And it took him years to get off of it. So he was not too happy about that. Uh, the point is, is some people could be addicted just like that. And other people, most people, you can avoid a physiological addiction with low dose and under that 14-day mark. And that's what we would utilize for a spike protein um protocol. However, that said, I tell all the doctors that I train, I tell anybody who wants to do that. I want you to be very aware that nicotine for anybody is addictive, especially for longer periods of time, but it could be addictive at any amount for any length of time for some people, even in the small amounts. So uh that is even a warning for the spike protein detox. So look, I'm not going to say that nicotine doesn't have some benefits as I just pointed out, but you have to understand that the argument that many people are making is that nicotine's in nature and you know it's in a lot of different plants, but you have to understand it's in such minute amounts, even way smaller amounts than the two to three milligrams that I just mentioned. I have another friend who another friend said, Hey, try this. And he took a few drops and his brain lit up, felt focused. Well, that was many, many years ago. And to this day, he is still addicted to it and has tried several times to come off of it, and he's not able to. Okay, I want you to hear this from my sons themselves because they both have a nicotine story. And I think that even the kids watching this, maybe you'll hear from them more than me. So let me bring in my two sons. And by the way, I think this is the first time you uh ever met them. All right. On my right, sitting here is my son Isaac. He's uh how old are you, Isaac? Uh, I'm 25. Put this all the way out there. 25.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

I'm guessing this is my camera.

Dr Pompa 5:43

My youngest son. Yeah, exactly. That um, Simon, how old is Simon? What am I? 22. All right, 22. So I'm talking into that mic. Put that mic over there.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

I'm used to talking to people.

Dr Pompa 5:55

I know, but move that in front of you. Okay. All right. So both of you have um a nicotine story, right? And um Simon, I'm I'm gonna start with you just because you, well, both of you used marijuana at one point, uh-huh, right? You got off marijuana, so did you, but you did that. You went from marijuana to Kratom. Yeah. Okay. Kratom's very addictive. It's an opioid. Who's terrible? Most addictive. Most addictive, yeah. Very addictive. Yeah. And and you had you went through the same route, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:28

You were you were um marijuana. I cycled through it. Um, but there was one point where I was doing it all at the same time. Um, and it brought me to more of a low point in my life, and then I had to come out of it, and it was not easy.

Dr Pompa 6:44

Yeah, not not easy. Uh they they sit here today off of all all of these things, which I'm so proud of both of them. But as you can hear, the journey wasn't easy. So nicotine, cratom, or I'm sorry, I'm sorry, marijuana, cratom, and then nicotine rolled in there somewhere along the way, probably.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Nicotine was one of those ones that was just more like you know, the the water to the food, you know. I mean, it's like something that you just did all day constantly. That's the issue with it. It's just so easy to just and take it, you know, all the time. It's very yeah, you're successful. I mean, with every five minutes, you know, you're taking it, especially with the vaping, you know, it's every five minutes that you're getting, you know, a constant buzz. And then with the the pouches, it's more like once an hour or even.

Dr Pompa 7:31

You were using the zen.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

I was doing everything. I was those vaping drops. Okay. No, not the drop. Oh. Yeah, just uh the zins and the vapes.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

What were you doing? Same thing. Um, mostly the vapes, and I'd say the vapes were the worst uh and the hardest to quit. Uh, and then that cycled to the zins, the nicotine pouches. Uh convenience, probably, yeah. And I think it was those were a little easier to manage uh and less a little less addictive because I think the the difference in the potency between like the vapes and the zins, it's the zins are anywhere from like three to six milligrams, and the the vapes are 50 milligrams, and the potency is just off the charts. Okay. Uh, and like Simon said, the the excess the accessibility of them and what made it so easy is that you know, unlike smoking a cigarette, you have to go outside, uh, and it's a whole process, and then you smell like cigarettes after, and it's a whole thing. But the vapes, they taste good, uh, they make you smell foody fresh. And then um it's you can do them inside. I I mean, there was one point where back in high school, and I'm sure a lot of kids, and this may sound crazy uh to more of the adults, but I'm sure a lot of kids can relate to this, you can hit them in the back of the class and the teacher wouldn't know. And and we would, everyone would.

Dr Pompa 8:47

What why I couple questions. Like what, and you probably both maybe have different answers. Why did you start? How did you start?

SPEAKER_02 8:56

It was just, I guess it was something that was there once, and then you tried it, and then it's the it is that addictive. Like you try it once.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

I mean, it's be you know, you become a hangar out, you know, everybody's doing it. And you do it, and you know, you do it once, and then as soon as you do something once, that's the problem with do something once, is then you allow yourself, then you find like in the brain, you know, you kind of let yourself do it again because you make excuses where it's like, oh, it's just one time. Then you do it once, and then it becomes acceptable.

Dr Pompa 9:24

What was easier for you to come off of marijuana or nicotine?

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Nicotine.

Dr Pompa 9:28

Nicotine?

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Yeah. Marijuana. Well, I don't, you know, there's the marijuana thing's been hard, but I I uh it was hard back then. I would say I'd say marijuana, yeah. Yeah, a little bit.

Dr Pompa 9:38

Well, okay, and then um, yeah, I mean he quits things cold turkey. I mean, just never touched it up again. And that, you know, that's he did that with marijuana, he did that with crap. Never relapsed. And then, you know, he did he did it with um nicotine, which you created. Uh you know, many people said you can't nicotine, you have to go down, you have to go down. I never went down, you just stopped it, right? How did you how did that go for you?

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Um I mean, first of all, just to backtrack a little bit, I would say for me, nicotine was definitely harder. Um, and the reason why is because it was so accessible. Like every time I'm hanging out with friends, everyone in our generation did it. So everyone has a vape, everyone has zins. And it's like being by yourself, it was a lot easier to quit when I was kind of just doing my own thing for a while. Um, just because I wasn't around it, I wouldn't get those urges. But now, you know, I'm still around it. Um, and when I see it, I still get those urges. So it is very, very advice.

Dr Pompa 10:35

Your father, your grandfather smoked for 55 years and he quit the last like 20 years or something of his life. And he said every time he would smell it, he would still desire it. Like, I mean, like, oh my God, I I can't even imagine that level of addictedness. What what did it do? I mean, for your brain. I mean, meaning like you desire it, but it gets to the point where it's like you can't focus on without it.

When Nicotine Turns On You

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Is that yeah, it's supposed to be used. I guess nicotine's known to help uh brain function, right? But at a certain point, it does quite the opposite, right? Where it's I don't know if it's an overload. I mean, you're the doctor, so you'd probably know more about the science behind it, but it definitely like my adrenals were fried, my energy. When I when I came off of it fully, I felt and thought so much clearer and clear headed. And I'm not sure scientifically, yeah, the reason why that is. Um, but I know for a fact that that was the case. Like I couldn't think the same uh when I was doing it all the time. It was just a lot of ups and downs, you know. And like Simon said earlier, it was like every five minutes with those vapes. Yeah. Um, you'd wake up in the middle of the night and like, what's my vape?

Dr Pompa 11:43

So the moment, like, does it like, hey, it helped. I feel good for an hour on it, then it's like dun dun dun dun five minutes.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

That's what the that's what the thing would be with um with me, it was the anxiety part. So it was causing my anxiety, right? And then it became so bad that I I couldn't, I couldn't function in the in the when they went ahead and then I would walk in in the moment, and then I'd feel clean headed, right? I'd feel not that high feeling that I would tell you about. But once I wouldn't have it, I'd get anxiety. I'd have like this dirty-headed brain fog, and then I'd hit it again, and everything would go back to normal. So that had to regulate. So that's kind of like that's where my addiction really started to suck with it. But then I I realized that it was just a trap. So I was like, I'm just chasing, you know, nothing.

Dr Pompa 12:30

Yeah. I and but it caused it caused the problem. Yeah, no, exactly. I think both of you came to that realization, oddly similar time period, that it's like what the very reason you were using it and liked it was now working against you.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Yeah, yeah. But then it's just an addicted, it's at a trap how much gets sucked in.

Dr Pompa 12:49

Like your generation, or you maybe you speak to your friend group or people using nicotine.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Yeah. Um, I don't know. As a as a whole, I would probably say 60%, maybe. That might be I don't know. Do you think more? Way more. Yeah, I'd say about 85%. I'm trying to be like out of everyone I know, uh, you know, it's uh it's more.

Dr Pompa 13:12

Knowing Isaac, he doesn't want to throw anyone under the bus.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

No, but then again, a lot of people my age, you know, I'm 25 now and we're getting older, and like, okay, I can't do this the rest of my life. And return.

Dr Pompa 13:22

Do you have other friends that have come off of it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Oh, wow, that's good for sure.

Dr Pompa 13:25

What about you? No, they haven't. And more of your friends, you think more like I mean, they try, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:30

But they always make excuses for themselves and it's just the same story over. Because it's detective, yeah. It's hard. And it's it's it's you know, it's a spiritual thing that you just have to do it yourself. You know, you can't really tell anybody you gotta figure it out. No, I guess it's that it's that powerful. It takes a hold of you.

Kratom Withdrawal And Reward System

Dr Pompa 13:44

I agree with that. Yeah. Takes a hold of you. It does. I don't want to slip away from something that most parents watching this probably know very little about. They know a lot about this. Um, but I would say most kids watching this know a lot about the cradom thing, right? Um taking hit and miss, no big deal. No big deal. Right? It's like it's an herb. By the way, your kids can buy it in um grocery stores, not grocery stores, but gas stations, gas stations, right? Yeah. Okay, and you made the comment that, or maybe it was you, that it's the most addictive of all. Yeah. And and it it does tap on the it's an opioid, uh, you know, meaning it hits the opioid receptors, which most people watching this understand that's very addictive drugs that are opioids. So that was the hardest for you, you said, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

I would say the withdrawals were the hardest. Talk about the withdrawals. Um, I had weeks, maybe even a month, of just like night sweats, can't sleep at all, waking up through the night. Um, just feeling constantly on edge, constantly anxious, constantly like I need something. Yeah. Um, and you know, back on the nicotine thing before we move forward there, and this kind of goes with all I guess all substances that you can get addicted to, but it really affects your ability to be able to do anything in life because your reward system starts to get jacked up in a way that, you know, so using just nicotine as an example, and I can go through every single drug, but um any time before I'd have to do something hard, like, oh, I gotta hit my vape first. Every time after I did something hard, like, oh, now I gotta hit my vape. After I was done eating, no, now I need to hit my vape. You know, it's almost like you're only doing things in doing hard things, so then you can go and hit your vape, or you can go and smoke weed. And it kind of takes the joy out of life because you're no longer doing things for the reason of doing it, or for just bettering yourself, or for just achieving something, or for whatever reason that is just living. It's now just everything. You're only doing anything just so you can go get high or go get that short buzz. And nicotine was it's so fleeting. It's so fleeting.

Dr Pompa 15:58

Yeah, and like you said, you know, if the high's an hour, I don't even know. I'm making it up because I was never addicted, but it gets down to that five minute mark. I mean, uh, with nicotine, it's like five seconds. But you know what I always hear, and you guys, you know, have probably heard the same thing. People justify, well, I only do a small amount, right? I'm only doing a small amount, but what invariably happens, one zin turns to like a how many are in a canister of this? How many?

SPEAKER_00 16:24

15.

Dr Pompa 16:24

15. People are doing 15 of those a day, I bet.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Oh, yeah.

Dr Pompa 16:28

Yeah. How many were you doing a day?

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Sometimes I was popping three at once. I might worse. Oh my gosh. But the uh it started to really mess with my nervous system. Yeah. And that was the thing, is where I would even get this breath thing on it. I still get the breath thing, but that was the breath thing was related to my nervous system, right? My body was constantly under stress. It was constantly overflow. The bucket was my own bucket was overflow because of it. And as soon as I cut that off, everything calmed down. I'm still recovering.

Dr Pompa 16:54

Yeah, you're you're both of you do my detox, right? And as you detoxed, you said you would actually like feel stimulated. Yeah. Like you'd feel like some of that shaky and I would feel it on my nerves.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

I still, I still have I still have issues because of it. And when people do it around me, it makes me angry. I I don't I don't feel that way. That um I don't feel that way like when I smell it, I want it. Luckily, I don't get that. Honestly, I feel disgusted by it. And I the grace of God gave me that, but it's terrible. Yeah, that's that's interesting too. Because I felt so because it I it wrecked my health, you know. So I'm scared of it, to be honest, because it's scary to me. Sometimes I'll have nightmares about getting it.

Dr Pompa 17:33

You got more brain symptoms. He got more second brain, you got more gut issues from a lot of the stuff you did, whether it started with the marijuana. And again, my feeling with why you know this, because I had some severe um kids with severe IBS and gut issues that started with marijuana. Not from the marijuana itself, necessarily. I believe it's from the toxins that are being utilized on the marijuana. You don't know what you're getting. And by the way, um, nicotine is the very similar thing. They use a ton of pesticides on nicotine. And I think the vapes, so you don't even know where they're coming from. They're saying straight from China. Oh, yeah. And by the way, they uh they oxidize the toxins and make them more toxic. Yeah. So part of the problem with this nicotine issue um is the chemical portion. And uh, that's this again, the marijuana uh issue with cart creating gut problems and other, you know, things that people never back in my day would associate with marijuana are happening because of the marijuana.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yeah. I mean, it's so evil to point that honestly, it's like you don't even care. You know, you just need a, you need it, you need it, right? So you don't even care. You don't you're not even thinking about the health thing. Yeah, it's in the back of your head. But it's it's a spiritual battle, that whole thing. It really is.

Dr Pompa 18:47

This isn't a show for this, but you add these addictions that your generation's dealing with, with the addiction of social media. Um, y'all both of you had the deal with that issue and put you know, solid yellow lines around that, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Yeah, I was I was just talking to a mentor before this. Um there's I mean, I personally think social media is one of the worst things and plagues on our generation um for so many reasons. I mean, as a guy, you're getting constantly exposed to lustful things. Um you're constantly comparising comparing yourself to other people, and you know, comparison is the thief of all joy. Um and then the last one is my mind blanks, so I I I may need some nicotine. Yeah. Uh there is mostly I can't remember the last thing.

Dr Pompa 19:42

It's the constant, I know what you're gonna say because you've told me it's a constant distraction. Meaning at the end of the day, you don't what do you get done? And you don't realize how many hours you just spent doing nothing. Yes, it's like doing nothing.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

It's like you get on errands and you're on your phone, you know.

Dr Pompa 19:56

Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a it's a big sucker. I I guess my point is is you, you know, it's I my heart goes out to your generation because um I didn't have that, right? It's like as a kid, I grew up with parents who smoked, and I thought it was disgusting. And man, I'm never gonna smoke.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Oh, sorry, my phone's going off. Um on that note, I think our generation has it has the easiest pathway to success. True. With in regards to like the technology, the internet, AI, and everything, it's very easy to utilize these things and get ahead in life. However, we also have the most distractions of all time. But if you can stay away from those distractions, life, I I I don't think it can help but just fall into place, especially with all these things that we can utilize to make the right decisions. But it's also very easy. It's easier than it's ever been to get sucked down the wrong way.

Dr Pompa 20:50

I think that's well said. I I say the exact same thing um about your generation, like no time ever. Um, I convinced you guys not to go to college, start a business because never has been an opportunity like this for your generation. The problem with your generation is the distractions. And that's the uh that's the wild card.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Yeah.

Gas Station Kratom Products Explained

Dr Pompa 21:11

Right? The amount of exposure, the amount of drugs, the amount of uh temptations uh sexually, drugs, just social media, the temptations are just absolutely off the chain. You know, we kind of left the cradom thing hanging, and I I think parents are like still going, what is that? Name some of the products um that these you know, the cratom could be found in. Like what are the some of the products and you know, kind of maybe talk more about what cratom is from both of your perspectives.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

I think the the most known version is the the feel freeze, the little blue bottles. And that's a kava cratom. Kava cratom. Um lower in in cratom for sure. Um, there's obviously the powders, which is just straight cradom powder you can just mix into water. It doesn't taste very good, but uh Eventually you start to like it. You do. It starts to taste good. And then I'd say the most damaging one is something that's newer in the past couple years is the seven hydroxy tablets. And to be honest, it's just gas station opiates. It's all synthetic. It's not actual cratom. They say it's like, you know, seven hydroxy metrogryinine, which is the active ingredient. So cratom comes from a leaf in the Indonesian islands, typically. I didn't give the context.

Dr Pompa 22:27

But yeah. Yeah. But you're saying that stuff's made in a laboratory. Yeah, that stuff is made in a laboratory. It's an opioid. It's just no drug.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

They stuck all the good stuff out of the plant.

Dr Pompa 22:36

But it's a legal drug that your kids can access. And you know, you parents, you might want to have a conversation about cratom because it's it's because kids buy it in a convenience store, they think it's innocent. Yeah. I I mean I never I thought it was innocent. I mean, as a parent, I watched you put tablespoons. Yeah, there's I mean, tablespoons are it looks green, right? And I'm thinking I researched, I'm like, oh, it comes from Indonesia. It's a leaf. The Indonesians chew the leaves for stamina, right? I didn't think anything about it. I wasn't concerned.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Yeah, no. I mean, it's it really, it's very uh it has a very friendly look to it, but no, it's uh it feels really good. Um by the way, no, neither of you were doing it for the high.

Dr Pompa 23:20

I want to be pe make it clear. You were doing it to focus, you were doing it to just like be in public and like stimulate your gives you more.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

I would use it in every single social setting, but that was the problem. I mean, at first it was just like it would it bring out this social side of me, and I'm more of an introvert, um, but it would really just open me up socially and you know, just take down all the walls. And more so, like, you know, alcohol does that, but it it hurts your your motor skills, right? And you don't think quite as clearly. It doesn't do that, it opens you up without hurting your motor skills, right? Yeah, and it's more of a blissful feeling, I would say. But um, you know, it was so addictive that eventually it's like I couldn't do any social event without it. And then eventually it came to when I would do anything, I had to take cradom. Like, you know, I was golfing and I would have to take it probably three times. I golf a lot at a better point. Golf a lot. I golf a lot, but um, I would take it three times throughout an 18-hole round and redose. And I could not golf unless I had my cradom in me, and I could not golf a well unless I had cradom, and I'd always make sure I was stocked up.

Dr Pompa 24:32

It was uh I remember I remember golfing with him, and I could tell after he would do it because he'd almost become a little manic. You know what I mean? It's like you would.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

It was like I also realized that, like, you know, because I would take it on like you know, dates and stuff in the past too. And I'm like, oh, I'm just talking over this girl. It's not good yet.

Dr Pompa 24:50

I always said that what I always train you guys to say. I say, if you want a girl to like you, you know, it's like ask them about them, let them talk about them.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Burn a couple bridges there because I would I would talk too much. I would, I would just and I couldn't help it too. Like my mind would just go and go and go. And um, yeah, it wasn't good.

Dr Pompa 25:09

And so for you, it was probably a little different because you know it brought a little different calm, like maybe calm to your brain. Like P is the introvert, you're more of an extrovert. Sometimes, but yeah, but what what was the big thing for you?

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Well, the big thing for me is I mean, kind of I mean, kind of the same thing. It's just made everything that you're doing that much better. So if I'd go and take a ride on my bike or whatever, think of having fun on your bike, as you you know, people do, whatever they do is mountain bike. It just made it 10 times better.

Dr Pompa 25:39

That's why you took it for golf, too. Yeah, you know, like I mean, everything.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

It's everything that's fun makes it more fun. Yeah, right. It's like alcohol in that way. It really does. It makes you make you very clean, sharp. I mean, it yeah, yeah, but then disclaimer, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:53

Hold on. Disclaimer, after a while, you know, when you're not on it, you feel like crap. And then when you take it, you feel normal.

Dr Pompa 26:03

Okay, so that basically we we just combine, you know, that's exactly what you said about nicotine. Yeah. And now exactly what you're saying about the cradom. You know, I'm not defending alcohol by any means here, but it's like alcohol, you you drink, you know, too many drinks, man. You feel it, you know, the next day, and you're like, you're not starting your day with it. With cradom and nicotine, you're starting your day, you're doing it all day, right? So it's a little different.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Yeah. I was good at keeping cradom just to like certain times. I would never start my day with it, but I would. You were, yeah, yeah. I know people that were like that.

Dr Pompa 26:40

Okay, last question. What would your advice be to somebody out there that is going, you know, okay, on the nicotine subject, you know, I'm just taking a little bit right now, and you know, I'm I'm okay. I could stop whenever I want because I think I heard both of you say that to me. I can stop whenever I want. What would you tell them?

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Try stopping.

Dr Pompa 27:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

If you can, then you know, do it.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Yeah, I mean, it's like 15 days just for a little bit, just to prove to yourself, I guess, right? Yeah, what'd you say? I mean, I recommend you running far from it as far as possible. Yeah, it's very scary, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

He stopped cold turkey. Did you stop cold turkey? Um, I was on the the zins for like a year, and then yeah, I stopped those.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

The zins, honestly, to me were more destructive. Really? Yeah. They they're more destructive on my health. They they fried my adrenals more, they made me feel like absolute crap. I mean, I mean, with my with my nervous system, the zins gave me more of a breathing problem than the vape, and because of the nervous system stimulation.

Dr Pompa 27:44

You know what sucks about this conversation? Most people listening to this are like, they're they're saying, Man, yeah, so glad that's not me. I'm so glad that I don't need to hit it all the time. I'm so glad that I'm, you know, you know, I don't need that much, whatever their justification is. Yeah, it just happens over time. I watched you guys say those exact things, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:03

Well, they're probably early into their journey. Yeah, that's it. I don't think there's if you can, good on you. If you can keep it like, you know, to uh something very recreational and very you know periodical. Uh if you can, that's great for you. But um most of them are probably very early in their journey with it.

Dr Pompa 28:22

Yeah, I know. It's but again, there's some people out here that have been on it for a while going, you know, oh, you know, I'm fine. I mean, most people that are addicted to things will always tell you that they're fine, you know. It's in their their life's balanced and they're still you know, doing good. Matter of fact, I believe most people would tell you they're doing their job better with it because you would have said that, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:43

You would have said that at that my at that point in my life, yeah, when I was trying to justify it, I probably would have said that. I think I did say that. Yeah, okay.

Dr Pompa 28:52

Just you know, life off of it, your brains came back. That's what I want to do. Coming back, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Yeah, I'm still caused damage.

Dr Pompa 28:58

Yeah, yeah. You have you still have some sandwich. I think you took much higher levels. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

My nervous system still has got a lot of issues. Yeah. Um, yeah, brain. And you've been off of it how long? Nicotine? I've been off of it, I don't know, like eight months now. Yeah, eight months, and then I think that's and then the Kratum has been years, a few years, but I swear I've been. Marijuana, it's been years. What about you?

SPEAKER_02 29:21

You're more than years new to it. Um was the question?

Dr Pompa 29:26

Yeah, how when was the um how long you've been off?

SPEAKER_02 29:29

Nicotine? Um you know what? I went like six months years ago, and then I went another six months um at the beginning of last year, and then I had a brief stint, like you know, just hitting it once or twice. Boom, right back. Yeah, right back up. Um and that was about probably five months ago, somewhere around there, five, six months ago. Um and it was just as hard to come back off again. It really was. So, like I said, just gotta stay away from it because it is very easy to get back onto it. It really is. You always think you can conquer it, and it's like, oh, just this one time, and then bam.

Dr Pompa 30:13

Yeah, bam.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

There you are. I think we should scary to be honest.

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